tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jul 01 00:08:42 2001
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RE: KLBC: Mountains and mice
While the original translation is fine, as others have commented, I think
there is a loss of connection between the mountains and the giving birth.
The mountains could be causing a Qa'Hom to go into labor, after all.
I'd have done something like:
yatlh HuD'a'mey. Qom. HuD'a'meyvo' bogh Qa'Hom neH.
charghwI' 'utlh
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Robinson and Sian Jones (naQSej)
> [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 6:36 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: KLBC: Mountains and mice
>
>
> Corrected:
>
> qen 'op mu'mey mughta' *George*, pInwI'. mughmeH *Latin* Hol lo’.
> jabbI’ID
> ta’ ‘ej “Montes geminant, parturitur ridiculus mus” qon.
> chay’ vImughlaH?
> [snip]
> qoj nuq vIjatlhlaH?
> The idea of the Latin is that there is an enormous amount of fuss (the
> mountains going into labour) for a ridiculously small return (only giving
> birth to a mouse). The Latin word I translated as {jach} actually means
> “groan” like a woman in labour . Some idea of anguish needs to
> be there, I
> think, not just noise. Since the first half of the sentence refers to
> labour, the parallelism of the original would be retained by referring to
> giving birth in the second half.
> So imho I stick with
> jach HuDmey, ‘ej Qa’Hom luboghmoH.
> qar George!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stauffer, Tad E (staufte7) [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 28 June 2001 19:17
> To: 'Klingon Mailing list '
> Subject: RE: KLBC: Mountains and mice
> naQSej said:
>
> qen *George*, pInwI', jIHvaD *Latin* HolDaq 'op mu'mey mughta'.
>
> Watch out for Klingon word order here - George is the subject of the
> sentence, doing the action. So {*George, pInwI'} should go at the
> end of the
> sentence and not at the beginning.
>
> As you mention later, "translating into Latin" wouldn't use the suffix
> {-Daq}. English uses words such as "in" and "into" in many different ways,
> but in Klingon {-Daq} is reserved for physical location.
> You could recast the sentence into several smaller ones, to
> indicate that he
> translated words into Latin:
> "He translated some words for me. He used Latin."
>
>
> jabbI'ID tagh 'ej qon *Montes geminant, parturitur ridiculus mus*.
>
> {tagh} means "begin a process". So if he's *ending* the e-mail, {ta'}
> ("accomplish") or {ngeH} ("send") might be the verb to use.
> Also, since he recorded the phrase, it might be good to add a colon and
> write it as:
> {...'ej qon: *Montes geminant, parturitur ridiculus mus*}
> Otherwise, someone would interpret the Latin quote as the
> subject, and think
> *it* is doing the recording.
>
>
> chay' vImughlaH?
>
> jach HuDmey, boghmo' Qa'Hom
>
> jach HuDmey, 'ej Qa'Hom luboghmoH (neH)
>
> ... Qa'Hom Dogh?
>
> 'ach Doghba 'HuDmeyvo' Qa'Hom. ghaytan 'utbe' 'Dogh'
>
> ... Qa'Hom mach (Qa'Hom tIn law', *mouse* tIn puS).
>
> joq nuq?
>
> Hmmmm, all of these are good attempts. I don't know what the original
> context is for the latin phrase, so I'm not sure which would be best.
> Don't forget that noun-connecting words, such as {joq}, {je}, and
> {ghap}, go
> after the last noun in a sequence. So {nuq joq?} might make more
> sense here
> (although it's just a sentence fragment anyway).
>
>
> jIjatlh 'e' vIHech:
>
> Recently George, my boss, translated some words into Latin for me
> [if not
> Daq, what? Daq seems a bit too concrete to me]. He ended his e-mail
> by
> writing "the mountains groaned, and brought forth a ridiculous
> mouse".
>
> How can I translate it?
>
> "The mountains screamed because a qahom was born.
>
> "The mountains screamed and they (only) caused a qahom to be born."
>
> "A foolish qahom"? But a qahom from a mountain is obviously foolish.
>
> Probably "foolish" is unnecessary.
>
> "A small qahom" (a qahom is bigger than a mouse).
>
> Or what?
>
> Hmmmm, I suppose I personally would say:
> {'uSchoH HuDmey, 'ej Qa'Hom lulIng} "The mountains became noisy, and they
> produced a Qa'Hom"
> But without knowing the context of the Latin phrase, any of your
> suggestions
> would probably work.
>
> - taD
>
>