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RE: Question about Qoch



ghel qurgh. jatlh:
>> I have a quick question about Qoch and Qochbe'.
>> Can Qoch and Qochbe' mean disagree with and agree with?

jang tuv'el. jatlh:
> My computer dictionary entry specifically says Qochbe' (v) 
> "agree" [TKD].  I don't physically have my original 
> dictionary with me, so I can't verify it, but I think 
> Qochbe' is supposed to mean "agree" rather than "not 
> disagree". I'm not sure what QochHa' or QochHa'be' would 
> mean.

jang quljIb. jatlh:
> Since this isn't marked KLBC, I'll throw in <chawIj 
> DarSeQmey>:
> 
> I'd use <QochHa'> to mean "agree with" and <Qochbe'> to 
> mean something like "don't disagree", which are not 
> necessarily the same thing.
> 
> <qaQoch> "I disagree with you."
> 
> <qaQochHa'> "I agree with you."
> 
> <qaQochbe' pagh...> "I don't disagree with you 
> [on some matter], but..."

The original question relates to <Qoch> and its possible object. Since it is
defined in TKD as simply "disagree", and <Qochbe'> is agree, I would have to
say that <Qoch> and <Qochbe'> cannot be used with an object. So you can say
<jIQoch> - "I disagree", but you *CANNOT* say <qaQoch> - "I disagree with
you". 

That said, Okrand's recent explanations of some verbs like <qIm> and <'Ij>
have clarified their meanings to include objects where we would not have put
them before, so it's possible that <Qoch> could take an object and mean
"disagree with". However, it's always better to be safe and avoid using it
like this unless we hear otherwise.

As for <Qochbe'> and <QochHa'>, the dictionary gives <Qochbe'> as "agree",
so that's clearly what it is. Okrand explained a bit more on this a while
back (I think it was in the interview with charghwI' in HolQeD; I don't
remember for sure). That's probably the best place to look for an
explanation.


pagh
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