tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 05 20:54:35 2000
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Re: KLBC: a friend whose name is.....
choQaHmo' qatlho'. jav Hu' jabbI'IDvam wa'DIch vIghItlhpu' 'ej muQaHbe'
paghpu'! vaj jabbI'IDvam cha'DIch vIghItlhpu' 'ej muQaHbe'. muQaHbe'taH 'ej
meq vISovbe'. jabbI'IDvam wejDIch'e' vIghItlhpu' 'ej pong pIm vIpong.
(hummmm... I still don't totaly understand -'e' , QaghwIj yIngu').
Qapbe' qo' rarwI''a' 'e' vIQubchoH (thats the 'internet'. do you have a
better way to express this idea?) 'ach jangwI' vIloS 'ej chajang.....
jeyD
> jatlh jeyD:
>
>> tlhIngan Hol ghoj 'e' nID jIH jupwI' je.
>
> maj. 'ach <wIghoj>, <wInID> je Dalo'nIS.
>
>> tlhIngan Hol wIghojchoH 'e' vIQaHmeH lutmey vIghItlhlI'.
>
> Since <ghoj> is usually an ongoing process, <ghojchoH> would probably be
> interpreted as *beginning* that process. If that is what you mean here, then
> it's fine. Otherwise, you probably want just <ghoj>.
>
> I don't think that you can use <QaH> in this way. You were trying to say "In
> order to help us learn Klingon", but the Klingon <'e'> doesn't quite work
> for this sort of thing. You could say <tlhIngan Hol wIghojmeH Qu' vIQaHmeH
> ....>. You could also simplify the sentence and drop the <QaH> altogether:
>
> tlhIngan Hol wIghojmeH lutmey vIghItlhlI'.
>
>> maghompu'bogh wanI'mey QIj lutmeyvam.
>
> I assume <maghompu'bogh wanI'mey> is supposed to mean "things we have
> encountered" or something similar. If not, then please explain what you
> meant.
>
> <ghom> is probably not the right word to use with events. <ghom> works well
> for people meeting each other, or things grouping together, but for
> experiences, I think a verb like <SIQ> works much better. Also, <wanI'mey>
> needs to be the object of that verb:
>
> wanI'mey wISIQpu'bogh QIj lutmeyvam.
>
> You might also want to consider <Del> rather than <QIj> here. It really
> depends on the stories.
>
>> lutmeyvam laDbogh nuvvaD jIH jupwI' je
>> vIlIHlI' 'ach chay' vISovbe'.
>
> The object of <lIH> is <jIH, jupwI' je>, which throws the Klingon verb
> prefix system into a tizzy. The subject is "I", and the object is "myself
> and my friend". Klingon has a way to make the object "myself", and it has a
> way to make the object "my friend", but it can't do both at the same time.
> You could either say "We introduce ourselves" or "I introduce myself and I
> introduce my friend". Here is what the Klingon might be:
>
> .... nuvvaD malIH'egh ...
> .... nuvvaD jupwI' vIlIH 'ej jIjIH'egh ...
>
> I also think you want to add a <vIneH> (or maybe <wIneH>) after the verb
> here - you want to introduce yourselves, but don't know how.
>
> Also, the <'ach chay' vISovbe'> doesn't work. In Klingon, anything with
> <chay'> in it is a question, so this is "How do I not know it?". If instead
> you want to say "but I don't know how (to do it)", you have to recast it a
> bit. You have to say something like "but I don't know a process (for doing
> it)".
>
> lutmeyvam laDbogh nuvvaD malIH'egh wIneH, 'ach mIw vISovbe'.
>
>> <toq had a very good friend whose name is jeyD> vIjatlh vIneH.
>> chay' mu'tlheghvam vIjatlh?
>>
>> jIghItlh 'e' vInID:
>> jeyD 'oHbogh pongDaj'e' jup QaQqu' ghajpu' toq
>
> For "good friend" or "very good friend", use <jupna'>. <jup QaQ> means "a
> good friend" in the sense of a friend who is good, not a close friend.
> Another problem is "had a friend". In Klingon, you can clearly have a weapon
> or a house or a shoe, but I'm not sure you can have a friend or an uncle or
> a teacher. It's probably best to restrict <ghaj> to things that you can
> "posses".
>
> I would probably say the following for this:
>
> jeyD ghaH toq jupna''e' - jeyD is/was toq's close friend
>
>> lughHa'law' mu'tlheghvam 'e' vIQub.
>
> mu'tlheghlIj vIyaj, 'ach lughbe' pab. qay'be'.
>
> A little style comment: the <-law'> means pretty much the same thing as "I
> think" in many an English sentences, so the <'e' vIQub> is redundant.
>
>
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