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RE: KLIC: Sun Tzu ch1 v12 (RE: <Sun-tzu> lut 'ay' wa')
- From: "Les Brock" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: KLIC: Sun Tzu ch1 v12 (RE: <Sun-tzu> lut 'ay' wa')
- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 8:41:42 -0700
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> [Original Message]
> From: David Yeung <[email protected]>
> To: tlhIngan-Hol <[email protected]>
> Date: 4/27/00 4:36:23 PM
> Subject: KLIC: Sun Tzu ch1 v12 (RE: <Sun-tzu> lut 'ay' wa')
>
>
> Hergh Suy:
> >vaj loy qar Dalo'DI' chovqu'ghach qar DaghermeH
> >'ej 'oH pegh teH DanejDI' yItlhob:
> >
> >"Thus, when making a comparitive evaluation through estimations,
> >seeking out the true nature, ask:
> >
> >+ <Tao> ghaj nuq che'wI' ?
> >+ laH nIv ghaj nuq Sa' ?
> >+ puH Doch QaQ chal Doch QaQ je' Soqtu' 'Iv ?
> >
> >+ Which ruler has the <Tao>?
> >+ Which general has the greater ability?
> >+ Who has gained the advantages of heaven and earth?
>
> It's interesting how divergent our translations are.
> Here are the same verses in my translation. I have
> two versions, one where the statements are phrased as
> commands (which I feel is more Klingon) and another
> where they are questions. I haven't decided which
> style I like yet.
>
> --
>
> 12. Therefore, in your deliberations, when seeking to
> determine the military conditions, let them be made the basis of
> a comparison, in this wise: --
> /vaj, QI' Dotlh DanoHmeH ghu' DachovDI', cha' ghol
> tIqIm 'ej yIra'egh:/
>
> alt: /... 'ej yIghel'egh:/
>
> 13. (1) Which of the two sovereigns is imbued with the
> Moral law?
> /cha' che'wI'pu' DaqelDI', ghobmo' wa''e'
> lutlhejbogh rewbe'pu' yIngu'!/
> [This line is messed up and needs to be fixed, I need
> to consult the Chinese version because I disagreed with
> Giles' translation here.]
>
> alt: /cha' che'wI'pu' DaqelDI', ghob ghajqu' 'Iv?/
>
> (2) Which of the two generals has most ability?
> /cha' Sa'pu' DaqelDI', laH nIv ghajbogh Sa' yIngu'!/
>
> alt: /cha' Sa'pu' DaqelDI', laH nIv ghaj 'Iv?/
>
> (3) With whom lie the advantages derived from Heaven and
> Earth?
> /wa''e' luQaHbogh 'ej luQanbogh ngeHbej che'ron je yIngu'!/
>
> alt: /'Iv luQaH 'ej luQan ngeHbej che'ron je?/
>
> >How does this sound?
> >What Klingon word should be used for <Tao> (The way)?
>
> In general, I find that a translation sounds more
> natural if "native" vocabulary is used. There is a
> tradeoff between literalness and smoothness in
> translation. (The Indian Buddhists ran into the same
> problem with Chinese and had to substitute "Tao"
> for "dharma", etc.)
>
> As you can see from above, I've rendered "Tao"
> (which Giles translates, somewhat inaccurately
> in my opinion, as "the Moral law") as /ghob/.
> Also, rather than the literalistic /puH/ and /chal/
> for "Earth" and "Heaven", I've used the more
> Klingon /che'ron/ "battlefield" and /ngeHbej/
> "cosmos". It's rather unlikely that a Klingon would
> understand /chal puH je/ in quite the same fashion
> as a Chinese would think of "tian di".
>
> --
> De'vID
>
>
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