tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Apr 19 13:37:48 2000

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Re: help me explain



I"m not talking about the names on the show, reread my post. I just used 
those as an example.We all know
about Paramount Hol vs tlhIngan Hol. There are specific rules for tlhIngan
Hol. You have followed the rule with your name as I was explained in
answer to my post. We know that K'.... is incorrect because it is 2
consenents but you don't write your name that way. B'Etor is incorrect
according to tlhIngan Hol it should be be'etor.


Lt.Commander Maud Freifelder /Lt.Commander malqa 
Chief Security Officer /Chief of Cadet Corps.
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, James Fox-Davis wrote:

> malqa wrote:
> 
> > I don't believe that there are 2 *styles.* There is only one *correct* way
> > to write tlhIngan Hol. I don't accept Paramount Hol. and I'm trying to
> > teach others to follow the tlhIngan Hol but I need to explain the grammer
> > rule . It has nothing to do with what style I prefer to use. My feeling is
> > that if you're going to use Klingon words, write them correctly in
> > tlhIngan Hol.Some of the folks I"m trying to teach don't know the rules.
> > Respectfully,
> > malqa
> 
> I understand that you're trying to explain the rules, but please remember that
> the names you're talking about for the most part were approved by the people who
> OWN THE SHOW, and who nothing about the language invented by Dr. Okrand and
> promulgated and promoted by the KLI.  Now, I understand that the issue of show
> ownership doesn't matter a hill of beans within the internal logic of the
> tlhIngan culture, but it is a reality that most of the people we encounter while
> 'playing' Klingon know  or care little or nothing about tlhIngan Hol.  If
> they're _interested_, point them toward the first four lessons of the postal
> course in tlhIngan Hol which are available from the KLI website.
> 
> If you're trying to teach them the rules, get one of the several guides
> available online to do so, but don't try to correct the names that are being
> used on the show.  I don't care how well meaning you are, you're only going to
> piss off people who've come to identify with/love a particular character.  Let's
> face it, _Worf_ isn't a tlhIngan name, either -- it would be wor'Iv.  If their
> trying to pick names, point them at the TKD and associated books, and have them
> select qualities their name should represent.
> 
> I chose "qu'qul" for two reasons -- one, it means "Fierce Fire" which is very
> Klingon, and two, it has an echo of "CuChulain" the greatest hero in Celtic
> history, whom I admire greatly, for he was forced to kill his best friend in
> combat, to fulfill an oath and end a war.  So desirous was he of not appearing
> weak, and so fearsome was his face, that when he tied himself to a tall stone so
> he wouldn't fall over when he died, no one would approach for a long time, for
> fear he was just waiting for them.  Sounds Klingon to me!
> 
> qu'qul
> 
> 
> 
> 



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