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Re: KLBC vuDlIjvaD qatlhob

In a message dated 99-11-04 04:00:28 EST, you write:

<< jatlh juDmoS:
 
 > ghom pong 'e' vImugh 'e' vInIDtaH. 
 
 maj. You've got an extra <'e'> in there - the one after <pong> doesn't make
 much sense. Also, type seven suffixes like <-taH> are not allowed to go on a
 verb after <'e'>.
 
 ghom pong vImugh 'e' vInID.

jIyaj. But I was attempting to state that I was trying (in an ongoing 
fashion) to translate the name of the group. I always thought that the 'e' 
referred to the clause/word immediately preceding it as the object of the 
verb immediately following it. I was not aware that they could not be 
'nested'. Thanks about the -taH following 'e',  as well. Hadn't heard of that 
one.
 
 > qay' pab.
 
 Do'Ha'.

Here I was implying that the grammar of this particular phrase eluded me. 
"Star", coupled with the verb "Lone", (here used adjectively) is merely 
another name for Texas, and not referring to a literal star. This 'pronoun 
clause'(?) I attempted to clarify using Sep (region), which is the 
'possessor' of the Warriors, which in turn were the possessors of the 
group/association. This would then be an "N1(adj)-N2-N3-N4" construction, 
translating as something akin to "Group of the Warriors of the Region of the 
Lone Star". My problem with this is that 'the region of the lone star' could 
be interpreted literally, and I was unsure of the grammar in this situation.

 
 > *teqSIS*Daq ghommaj. 
 
 This is a sentence without a verb. Basically, it just says "Our group in
 Texas.". You want <teqSISDaq 'oHtaH ghommaj'e'>.

I DID leave out the pronoun 'oH I had intended. I think that a state of being 
verb is implied in that pronoun, isn't it? Similar in construction to 
tlhIngan jIH ?
 
 > ' Hov mobbogh ' 'oH *teqSIS* Sep pong.
 
 If you're going to use a <-bogh> clause, it should be <mobbogh Hov>, since
 the subject goes *after* the verb. However, <mob> means "be alone", so it
 can act like an adjective and go right after the verb: <Hov mob>.

Again, uncertainty as to the grammar in the use of this nickname.. "Star 
which is alone"?
 
 > Hov mobbogh SepDaq SuvwI'pu' ghom , qar'a' ?  
 > (Lone Star Warriors Association)
 
 <Hov mob> instead of <Hov mobbogh> from above . . .
 
 The locative suffix <-Daq> doesn't make much sense in noun phrases like
 this, and even if it did, I don't think it's what you want. You're the
 Warriors Association *of* Texas, not *in* Texas.

Again, the nickname gets me. I thought perhaps that stating we 'were in the 
region of the lone star' might help in identifying the Terran/United States 
region of Texas.
 
 Finally, the plural suffix <-pu'> is not necessary here (plurals almost
 never are), and I would leave it off.
 
 Hov mob Sep SuvwI' ghom
 
I appreciate all your help. Nice to know I was 
a. Understood
b. Not *that* far off the mark 

juDmoS

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