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RE: KLBC: DaHjaj



jatlh 'oghwI':

> Qad Daq

> Dry place, or do I need Qad DaqDaq?  (I can not remember where 
> I saw this, but it suck in my mind...)

Well, the first (except for the typo) means "the place is dry". The second
doesn't really mean anything - you can't put <-Daq> on a noun which is
acting as the subject of a sentence. "A dry place" would be <Daq QaD>, and
"In a dry place" would (usually) be <Daq QaDDaq>.

> DaSIchlaHbe'
> You are not able to reach it.

maj. "reach" is a rather vague word, so it's hard to know what <SIch> means,
but this is probably OK.

> QaDmoHmeH wep
> The coat causes it to be dry.

This would be perfect without the <-meH> suffix. Why is it there?

> DaHjaj, yeb tlhaqwIj Qop.

Rememver your sentence order: object-verb-suffix. Your watch didn't wear
something else out - it just wore out. Also, <Qop> is "be worn out", meaning
your watch is in a state of being worn out. This is a perfect place for the
suffix <-choH> - the important idea of the sentence is not the state your
watch is in today, but the fact that it just got into that state.

DaHjaj QopchoH yeb tlhaqwIj.

> 'oH vItI'.

maj. machqu' yeb tlhaq jo. bIpo'bej.

> tlhIH, yeb tlhaqwIj Qopbe'.

OK - now I don't understand. What is the <tlhIH> doing there. Do you mean
<tugh>? Also, same goes for <Qop> here as above. The one difference is that
you probably want <-qa'> instead of <-choH>: the watch is going back into a
state of not being worn out.

> tlhIh, be' navDev HIv loD navDev. 
> buD nuja' 'e'.

jIyajbe'qa'. What is <navDev>? The closest thing I can think of is <naDev>,
which doesn't make any sense. Also, the pronoun <'e'> can't be the subject
of a verb.

> DIrojlI'.
> DaHjaj, DIrojpu'

DaH loQ jIyajqa'. I do have a little problem with your aspect suffixes,
though. When is the action in the first sentence happening? If it's in the
recent past, it makes sense. Otherwise, it doesn't. 

Also, what is the object of <roj> here. I don't know that <roj> can take an
object, or if it can, what that object would be. It is defined as "make
peace", not "make peace with". I would expect <roj> to be used like <roj
yuQjIjDIvI', tlhIngan wo' je>.

> How many words are there that end with a vowel, but dont have a ' 
> after them I found one or two in TKD.  tI, Do, Ro, cha, ya, He, jo, 
> ta, po, 'a, ghu, je, Da & DI and from KGT gho & lu.  I'm sure I 
> read somewhere that averyword was not supposed to end with a vowel.
> I can not remember where.  If there is a rule against this would 
> these be "Left-Overs" from no' Hol?  I've probably remembered 
> something incorrectly.

We know from observation that all Klingon syllables (excluding borrowed
foreign words and some no' Hol) follow one of three patterns: CV, CVC, or
CVCC, where C is a consonant like <b> or <tlh>, and V is a vowel like <a> or
<I>. The second pattern is by far the most common. The third is fairly rare,
and only occurs with three consonant clusters: <y'>, <w'>, and <rgh>. The
first is less common than the second, but is perfectly normal. I don't know
of any written "rules" about this, but in all the Klingon Marc Okrand has
ever produced, he has always done things this way, so it's a pretty safe bet
that this is the way things work.


pagh
Beginners' Grammarian



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