tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jun 25 13:21:20 1999
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Re: Love (A-Ha!)
- From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Love (A-Ha!)
- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:20:57 -0500
At 01:35 PM 6/25/99 -0500, charghwI' wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:47:31 -0400 Carleton Copeland
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ja' charghwI' 'utlh:
>>
>> I might suggest that while this all seems like a revellation to
>> you, you might try reading TKD, page 47 (4.3 Rovers). Okrand
>> explicitly explains that {-Ha'} has two meanings. One is to
>> "undo". The other is "do wrongly". TKD really is worth reading.
>>
>> jIjang:
>>
>> I'm aware of both meanings, as you'd know if you'd been following the
>> discussion. The issue is that the /-Ha'/ of /muSHa'/, /parHa'/, /QayHa'/,
>> and /tungHa'/ seems to express a third meaning, *do the opposite of*, which
>> I feel is not self-evident or easily derivable from the first two.
>
>Pardon if I'm repeating what others have said.
>
>{muSHa'} is not officially defined anywhere. Those who like this
>word (and I don't) choose its meaning from the general sense
>that {-Ha'} tends to be a stronger negative than {-be'} as is
>evidenced by the difference between {yajbe'} and {yajHa'}. One
>simply does not understand, while the other misunderstands.
>Ignorance misleads one less than misinformation.
>
Just to muddy the waters a bit: When {-Ha'} is used with _adverbials_,
it does seem to take on the simple meaning of "opposite". {Do'Ha'}
and {ghaytanHa'} are the only canon examples I can think of, but
I can recall seeing {pIjHa'} and {jaSHa'} in past posts (including
some of yours, IIRC), also the adjectival {vebHa'}. The idea of
undoing or doing wrongly certainly makes no sense with them.
They make sense only if we consider {-Ha'} to be simply inverting
the meaning.
-- ter'eS