tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jan 09 12:29:31 1999
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Okrand on {tlhej} "accompany"
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: Okrand on {tlhej} "accompany"
- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:29:26 -0600 (CST)
Okrand expands the meaning of {tlhej} "accompany" to include the notion of
"share in an activity, do something with someone" - the sense of "go
(somewhere) with" thus becomes one of the most common shared activities.
BTW, this isn't new; Okrand discussed {tlhej} in his interview in HolQeD
2.4. There he gave three versions of "I drink tea with Torg and Maltz":
Dargh vItlhutlhDI' mutlhej torgh matlh je.
Dargh tlhutlh. mutlhej torgh matlh je.
Dargh vItlhutlh 'ej mutlhej torgh matlh je.
With Okrand's comment below, we now know that Torg and Maltz actually drank
the tea - no doubt sharing in a Klingon Tea Ceremony - and not merely went
with the speaker to the tea house (though they well may have done this as
well).
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marc Okrand <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: startrek.klingon
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 00:34:28 -0500
Subject: Re: ghew qab
Qermaq wrote...
>Pam Felton wrote...
>> Is there a way to say "with" in Klingon? Such as, "He
>> went with them." Or does it have to be expressed like this
>> (jaH chaH. jaH je ghaH.)?
>
> tlheD chaH. tlhej ghaH.
Qermaq's suggestion to use the verb <tlhej> "accompany" as
a way to get across the notion of "with" in the sentence
meaning "he went with them" is exactly right.
Its use is not restricted to the notion of going someplace
("accompany" in the sense of "go with"). It is fine to say
such things as:
'Iw HIq vItlhutlh. mutlhej ghaH.
"He/she drinks bloodwine with me," literally "I drink
bloodwine. He/she accompanies me" (<'Iw HIq> "bloodwine,"
<vItlhutlh> "I drink it," <mutlhej> "he/she/they
accompanies/accompany me," <ghaH> "he, she").
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons