tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 17 11:30:16 1999
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Re: VS1, VS4, VS5
- From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: VS1, VS4, VS5
- Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:30:08 CST
- In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:15:03 -0800
> > <S>vaD <O> qIpmoHlu'. One makes <S> hit <O>.
> > <O> qIpmoHlu' <C>. <C> makes one hit <O>.
>
mujang charghwI', ja':
> This one REALLY bothers me, though I suspect you may be right. I
> just have never seen a subject to the left of {-lu'} before and
> it gives me the willies to see that happen.
>
wa' DoS wIqIp.
as I said, it was more of a technical point.
> I see how you got to it, and as I said, you may very well be
> right. Meanwhile, we have only one canon example that included
> both {-moH} and {-lu'} and it is as weird as your example, but
> quite different from it:
>
> HeghqangmoHlu'pu' - it made him/her willing to die
>
> TKD page 45.
>
well, the most important difference I see, is that Hegh doesn't
allow anything in the <O> position, and therefore you get
<S> HeghmoHlu'. One causes <S> to die.
HeghmoHlu' <C>. <C> causes one to die.
> I can only say that I have not met a {-moHlu'} that I liked.
>
in this special case (Hegh), I think it's worth noting that
"HeghmoH <C>" seems to carry the meaning I assigned to "HeghmoHlu'
<C>". According to TKD p. 88, "HeghmoH <C>" means "<C> is fatal".
Not that that would clear up anything...
but it might serve as an indication that -moHlu' is avoided
in favor of an unspecified object. ("<S> HeghmoH <C>" would
mean "<C> is fatal for <S>" or "<C> causes <S> to die".)
thus, in order to say - if you had to - "<C> makes one hit <O>",
"<O> qIpmoH <C>" might be a way to do it.
Marc Ruehlaender
aka HomDoq
[email protected]