tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Mar 04 14:00:16 1998
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Re: English - thlIngan - german
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: English - thlIngan - german
- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:59:40 -0500 (EST)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "Robyn Stewart" at Mar 4, 98 11:08:06 am
According to Robyn Stewart:
>
> Wenn Sie einzige Deutsch spreche, hier sprech und Klingonishe lern!
> Deutsche Hol neH Dajatlhchugh, naDev yIjatlh 'ej tlhIngan Hol yIghoj!
> If you speak only German, speak it here and learn Klingon!
chomerta'. <*Germany*ngan Hol vIjaltlhlaHbe'> jujatlh 'e'
vIHar. jIQaghba'.
> charghwI' wrote:
>
> >According to Qov:
> >..
> >> jIH chotIchbe'bej. naDev German Hol tuchlu' 'e' vIpay. ngochvam
> >> vIpar. naDev tlhIngan Hol wIlo' qoj tlhIngan Hol wIqel 'ej
> >> wIqelmeH jIHvaD ram Hol wIlo'bogh.
> >>
> >> In fact, I wish to propose a change to the list policy. I propose
> >> that this list be for discussion in tlhIngan Hol, or of tlhIngan
> >> Hol *in any language*, with the request that those posting in
> >> languages other than Klingon or English provide a Klingon or
> >> English translation or summary, if they can.
> >
> > I can support this policy, so long as posters recognize that
> > most people on this list speak Klingon and English. If you
> > expect people to read what you've written, choosing some other
> > language restricts your audience.
>
> Any choice of language restricts the audience. And I think anyone
> who can read what you have written would use English, knowing that
> the BGs all speak it. Remember your recent realization that ability
> to understand Klingon does not imply adulthood? Soon I hope to
> discover that it doesn't imply ability to understand English, either.
Do'Ha' QIvlaw' *Germany*ngan mu'ghom. TKD qonmeH *Okrand*,
DIvI' Hol lo'. DI'vI' Hol neH lulo' latlh tlhIngan paqmey 'ej
ghogh ta'mey. DIvI' Hol jatlhlaHbe' vay', ghaytan puS joDaj.
> > We might come up with a KLBC-like header for the Subject so
> > people could choose to skip messages not using English as the
> > other langauge than Klingon.
>
> Or simply use the language of the subject header.
QaQ qechvam.
> > Just remember that if you use Klingon and English, more people
> > will understand you and you'll get responses from a larger pool.
>
> I wouldn't want or expect the people who can read this posting to
> suddenly stop posting in English. The purpose of this is to ADD the
> people who can't participate in English. We should definitely accept
> postings in every language in which TKD is published.
If they can't participate in English, they can't read TKD and
instead have an inferior dictionary (at least for the German
one), and they can't understand the audio tapes or the other
two books or HolQeD or this list's FAQ or over 95% of the
messages. Will allowing posts in German really make this list a
warm, fuzzy place for such a person? I think you overestimate
the advantages this change allows.
I suspect the policy was initiated by Krankor, who, long ago,
offered pretty much all of the meaningful advice on this list
(before ~mark got up to speed), and Krankor doesn't speak any
other languages. Most likely the list now has someone who can
respond with just about any language anyone here can come up
with (though little will be accomplished if any of you mistake
that statement to be a personal challenge).
> wa' ghojwI' poH poQ neH. jatlhchu'DI' edy HovqIj je, Portuguese
> HolvaD Deutsch HolvaD janglaH chaH.
ghaytan.
> >> I don't speak German.
> >
> > Note, for example that our BG does not speak German, so if you
> > post in German, you can't get a response from the BG
>
> Ich nicht spreche Deutsch abur ich habe ein Worterbuch 'ej vIlo'qang.
> :) muqaD.
>
> Deutsch Hol jatlhwI'vaD KLBC rur mu'tlheghqoqvetlh, qar'a'?
> chu'wI'pu'vaD boQlaH Deutsch Hol jatlhwI'. ghaytan Deutsch KLBC
> vIHevDI' HovqIj vIrI'. ghojlaH Hoch.
QaQ ngervam, 'ach QaQ'a' ngoDvam? najlu'taHvIS QaQlaw'.
vemlu'DI' QaQtaH? vIHon.
> naDev nov Hol jatlhwI'pu' lutu'lu'chugh ghaytan pIj tlhIngan Hol
> wIlo'choH. 'ej mu'mey'e' laD neHbe'bogh vay' laDnISbe'bej.
bISengchoH 'e' vIpIH. 'ach ghaytan Dalbe'bej ghu'. maQujchoHjaj!
> SKI: Qov wants everyone who can read any version of the Klingon
> Dictionary to be able to post here, and will find a way to mark
> German KLBCs. In one generation of learners we will have native
> German and Portuguese Klingon speakers to do it.
>
> - Qov
charghwI'