tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Sep 12 18:23:50 1997
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Re: KLBC: (Requiem) fixed loS'DIch 'ay'
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: (Requiem) fixed loS'DIch 'ay'
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:23:43 -0700 (PDT)
At 11:07 PM 9/11/97 -0700, SuStel wrote:
>[email protected] on behalf of Qov wrote:
>> jatlh, ja', tlhob and other "verbs of speaking" can be used alone
>> with no object:
>> {jatlh SoS} - The mother speaks.
>> They can be used with objects that are the name of the thing said.
>> {SoQ Dajatlh} - You give [lit: speak] a speech.
>> {tlhIngan Hol wIjalth} - We speak Klingon.
>> {lut boja'} - You tell the story.
>
>I'd be inclined to go along with this ({Dotlh yIja'} is probably what Marc
>Okrand had originally translated Christopher Lloyd's line "Report status!"
>as), except there's some evidence against it.
>
>For one thing, there are exactly zero uses of {ja'} with that sort of object
>in canon. In every case, {ja'} has been used with a prefix indicating the
>person being spoken to, and translated that way.
jabbI'IDwIj vIqonmeH "Okrand on <jatlh>" jabbI'ID vIlaDbe'pu'mo' qaHarqang.
Hoch "jatlhmeH wotmey" qelpu' jabbI'IDvetlh 'e' vIHar. jIlujlaw'.
>Some may argue that the same prefix-changing games that's going on with
>{qajatlh} may be going on here. I don't think so. (Besides the fact that I
>have serious problems with any universal application of this rule. For
>example, {jIHvaD Daj Qu'} "The mission is interesting to me" would become
>{muDaj Qu'}, and I don't believe that.)
jIQochbe'.
>Okrand has said that the prefix games occur when the indirect object is first
>or second person. Fine. Explain {yIja'Qo'} "Don't tell him!" (TKD p. 47)
>Perhaps the thing spoken may become the object of {ja'}, perhaps not. But
>the person being spoken to definitely can be.
QoywI' 'anglaH moHaj yajlaHchu'DI' vay' 'e' vIHar jIH, 'ach qechvetlh
vIghojbe' vISovqu'be'taHvIS.
>Besides, words like {peja''egh} and {maja'chuq} also suggest that the object
>is the person being spoken to.
Mmmhmm.
Qov ([email protected])
Beginners' Grammarian