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From: "Marc Okrand" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: yu - bIm - 'egh
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Good question!

I didn't have my oscilloscope handy when Maltz was explaining all of this. 
Nor my tricorder, which I suspect would have done an even better job of
analysis.

I'm not a musical theorist, but from what I can figure, the first <yu> and
the next <yu> are not an octave apart; they are a nonave apart.

Does that help?

(Actually, I suspect it's more like the charghwI' version -- though I'd
have to hear it and run it by Maltz again to be sure.)

	- Marc


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From: "Marc Okrand" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Casual?
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There's a bit more about all of this in the new book "Klingon For the
Galactic Traveler" (pages 184-185), but I (and what it says in the book)
agree with what Neal wrote.

It is not infrequent to hear nonnative speakers of Klingon use <nuqneH>
"what do you want?" as if it meant "hello" or the like in exchanges such
as:

	Speaker #1:	nuqneH

	Speaker#2:	nuqneH

No one steeped in Klingon culture would do this, however (except in some
sort of a joking context, perhaps).  To begin a conversation, just start! 
Or approach someone and wait for him/her to say <nuqneH> to you.  If that
person doesn't say anything, you probably don't want to talk to him/her
anyway.



Neal Schermerhorn <[email protected]> wrote in article
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> (1) Klingons do not make smalltalk. Therefore there is no word for Hello.
> If a Klingon approaches you and does not immediately state his business,
> you would greet him with nuqneH - that means What do you want? (Some use
> this as an all-purpose greeting - but I personally don't think it's meant
> to be that.) Sometimes Qapla' (Success!) is used as a salutation or as a
> greeting on rare occasion. But these are all really utilitarian language
-
> if a Klingon did not really wish success on the other party, he most
> assuredly would not say Qapla'.

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From: "Marc Okrand" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: qIb lengwI' tlhIngan Hol
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Thanks for the nice words about the new book.  I'm impressed that some of
the new vocabulary there is already incorporated into these postings.

SuStel charghwI' je -- muquvmoH QInmey DalI'pu'bogh tlhIH.

As for how to use <Sum> "be near, nearby" -- that will require some more
time with Maltz.

Do' Sum matlh.

I would think, however, that it would work the same way as <Hop> "be far."

I'll see what Maltz has to say.




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From: "Marc Okrand" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: family names
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According to Maltz, there are at least a couple of ways to identify a
Klingon's house (or <tuq>).

One way is the way you suggested.  To say "Kahlor of the House of Molor"
(or, if you prefer, "Kahlor from the House of Molor"), you'd say simply
"Kahlor, House of Molor":

	qeylor molor tuq

If you want to be even more formal, the name of the father may be used as
well -- again, as you suggested.  "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, of the House of
Molor" is "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, House of Molor":

	qeylor qeylIn puqloD molor tuq

The other way is actually more formal and a bit formulaic.  To say "Kahlor
is of the House of Molor" (or "Kahlor is from the House of Molor"), you
could say:

	tay' qeylor molor tuq je

This is literally "Kahlor and the House of Molor are together" (<tay'> "be
together," <je> "and").  The construction is no doubt based on the Klingon
proverb "One is always of his tribe" (literally, "a person and his house
are always together"):

	reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je

(<reH> "always," <ghot> "person," <tuqDaj> "his/her house")

If Kahlor is speaking, he could say, "I am of the House of Molor": 

	matay' jIH molor tuq je

Or if one were speaking to Kahlor, one could say, "You are of the House of
Molor":

	Sutay' SoH molor tuq je

Literally, these are "The House of Molor and I are together" (<matay'> "we
are together," <jIH> "I," <molor tuq> "House of Molor," <je> "and"), "The
House of Molor and you are together" (<Sutay'> "you [plural] are together,"
<SoH> "you").  The independent pronouns (<jIH> "I" and <SoH> "you" in the
examples above) are always used in this construction.  


[email protected] wrote in article <01bca1fe$094ae680$a5002299@default>...
> Dr. Okrand,
> 
> I would like to know the proper way to express a Klingon's name using the
> name of his house.  For example, I have created a character named
<qeylor>
> whose father is named <qeylIn>.  They are from the House of Molor.  What
> are the proper ways for <qeylor> to identify himself?  If I were using
> English, I would have him say, "I am Kahlor from the House of Molor."  I
> can also imagine that if spoken to in a formal manner, he might be
> addressed as "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, from the House of Molor."    Does
this
> simply become <qeylor, qeylIn puqloD, molor tuq>?  What does Matlz say?
> 
> Deborah

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