tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 27 01:09:52 1997
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Re: A *with* suffix?
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: A *with* suffix?
- Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:09:48 -0800
At 09:34 97-11-26 -0800, Voragh wrote:
}qelayn wrote:
}|How would you express an idea of being with someone/something while
}|doing something, eg.
}| I went to the bar with Torg
...
}|however is there a construction using *tlhej* - accompany
}
}Okrand addressed this in his article "Okrand's Notes" in HolQeD 2.4 (Dec.
}1993). I'll quote the relevant part in its entirety:
}
}*with* -- In the sense of "accompanied by," "with" is usually translated by
}a phrase emplying the verb {tlhej}, "accompany." (There's a typo in the
}English-Klingon section of TKD: {tlhej} is erroneously tagged as a noun.)
}Thus, "I drink tea with Torg and Maltz" would be:
}
} Dargh vItlhutlhDI' mutlhej torgh matlh je.
} (literally, "when I drink tea, Torg and Maltz accompany me.") or
}
} Dargh vItlhutlh. mutlhej torgh matlh je.
} ("I drink tea. Torg and Maltz accompany me.") or
}
} Dargh vItlhutlh 'ej mutlhej torgh matlh je.
} ("I drink tea, and Torg and Maltz accompany me.")
}
}Using Okrand's example as a model you could say:
}
} tachDaq jIghoSDI' mutlhej torgh.
} ("When I went to the bar, Torg accompanied me.")
}
} tachDaq jIghoS. mutlhej torgh.
} ("I went to the bar. Torg accompanied me.")
}
} tachDaq jIghoS 'ej mutlhej torgh.
} ("I went to the bar and Torg accompanied me.")
Voragh mu' tIQoy.
Heed Voragh's words.
}|Or I could go behind Mr. Okrand's back and create a new (perhaps slang)
}|type 5 noun suffix expressing the idea of with. eg.
}| torgh*with* tachDaq vIghoSpu'
}
}Don't do that! Not only is it completely unnecessary, no one else would
}understand you -- unless you just want to talk to yourself.
Voragh yIQoyqu'
Heed Voragh well.
There are a few named problems ('ship in which I fled' or 'cat in the hat'
for example) that represent grammar we have trouble with in Klingon, and
many areas where the vocabulary is shakey. If you find a desire to invent
new grammar to do something, think about the problem in another way, instead.
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian