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RE: some tidbits qororvo'



qoror wrote:

> 'a vIplaHbe'bogh tIqDu' ghaj SuvwI'pu'ma'!
> Our boys have hearts that know no fear!
> 
> Some of you probably noticed that there was something ungrammatical in
> the first verse, and you're right. There's no word "vIp." I was using
> a verb suffix as a verb, because there's no word for "to be afraid" or
> "fear." But hey, these are soldiers! (I don't think they'd stick to
> grammaticality.)

Mark Shoulson has already pointed out the verb <<Haj>> so I'll take up the other 
issue, your implication that soldiers need not adhere to the rules of their 
language's grammar.

For most native speakers of a language, the vast majority of the rules that apply 
to their language (and I'm speaking of descriptive grammars here, not 
prescriptive ones) are unconscious.  The classic illustration of this is 
Chomsky's famous sentence "colorless green ideas sleep furiously" which is 
perfectly grammatical (though semantically bizarre) and another sentence with all 
of the same words "ideas colorless furiously green sleep" but would immediately 
be rejected by a native English speaker as ungrammatical.

My point being, if you're suggesting that soldiers (or most any subset of 
society) consciously and of their own volition deliberately violate grammatical 
rules I'm more than a bit inclined to disagree.  Sure, slang terms which violate 
grammar do develop, but they are exceptions which prove the rule, not license to 
generate more exceptions.

In this particular instance there's more at work than just grammar though.  We're 
told explicitly that Klingons are very touchy about the uses of the suffix 
<<-vIp>>, that there are taboos associated with it.  Now you might argue that 
this is actually support for a special use of it, since it is already a marked 
suffix, and you could make a legitimate case for suggesting that.  But in the 
absence of any such evidence, the more conservative approach (i.e., don't commit 
yourself one way or the other) would seem the better way to go here.

Especially when we *do* have a verb that could do the trick.

Lawrence

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