tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 29 07:06:59 1997
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Re: KLBC: Phrases
- From: Ivan A Derzhanski <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC: Phrases
- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:07:08 -0800
- Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science
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David Trimboli wrote:
> January 28, 1997 5:48 AM EST, jatlh Perry J. Brulotte:
> > [If war is costly and war is hell then hell must be costly.]
>
> waghchugh noH 'ej ghe'or 'oHchugh noH'e', vaj waghnIS ghe''or.
_tKD_ 4.2.2 implies that the Type 2 verbal suffixes indicate deontic
modality (the need for, or desirability of, an event); here the _must_
performs an alethic function (`it follows that hell is costly' rather
than `hell needs to be costly'). Unless there is precedent for such
use of {-nIS}, I suggest using {-law'} or nothing at all.
> > DaHjaj nuqDaq bIjaH DaneH? ... or ... nuqDaq DaHjaj bIjaH DaneH?
> > [Where do you want to go today?]
>
> Holtej has recently pointed out that sentences like this one are
> actually a question-as-object, a construction which, while not
> explicitly forbidded, is rather distasteful to me, and Okrand has
> implied before that it may not occur.
I must've missed that discussion. Holtej, qay' qachvam 'e' qatlh DaQub
'e' QIjbogh jabbI'IDlIj HIngeHneS.
> Any objection to not having the *want* in there? It's possible,
> with some twisted constructions . . .
How about {DaHjaj nuqDaq bIjaHqang?}?
> > [Better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved.][...]
> jImuSHa'pu' 'ej jIlujpu'. ghu'vam vImaS. not jImuSHa'pu'.
> ghu'vam vImaSbe'.
>
> It's pretty clunky. Anyone got a better one?
I still have a soft spot for the {paghmo' tIn mIS}-type construction:
{chaq nargh parmaq vIjonbogh; chaq not parmaq vIjonta';
ghu'vetlh qaq law' ghu'vam qaq puS}.
--'Iwvan
--
"mIw'e' lo'lu'ta'bogh batlh tlhIHvaD vIlIH [...]
poH vIghajchugh neH jIH, yab boghajchugh neH tlhIH"
(Lewis Carroll, "_Snark_ wamlu'")
Ivan A Derzhanski <[email protected], [email protected]>
Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences
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