tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Feb 28 13:32:41 1997
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Re: Hol vIlo' (was Re: Holna' wIlo'bejtaH)
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> On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, DaQtIq wrote:
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> > At 11:27 02/28/1997 -0800, Joel Peter Anderson wrote:
> > >On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Alan Anderson wrote:
> > >> ghItlh Qunchuy:
> > >> >chaq vay'vaD Quj 'oH tlhIngan Hol'e' 'ach pabnIStaH Quj
> > >>
> > >> Qoch'a' vay'? HochvaD potlhqu'law' qechvam.
> >
> > vIlajchu'. batlh jatlh Qunchuy val.
> >
> > >Games, like languages, usually have ranges of rules, variations, and,
as
> > >long as they are living, no end of change. Quick, how *many* versions
of
> > >Poker are there, anyway?
> >
> > But during any particular hand of poker, how many rules are in effect?
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> Nor did I suggest the rules changed - just that one can play "poker" with
> different rules.
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> "pab yIbIv!" vIjatlh'a'? ghobe', 'ach rejmorgh jIHbe'.
> pab, Hol, mu'mey je vIlo'. lalDanwIj 'oHbe' pab'e'.
> ("Humpty-Dumpty" 'oH'a' pongwIj'e'?)
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> > I enjoy chaos as much as any other anarchist, but just as one can't
> > play a hand of poker when each player chooses to apply different rules,
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> Oddly enough, I considered using the word chaos, too. Then decided I
> don't really like chaos. Its probably just that I'm lazy
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> > we can't speak the same language without the same *applied* grammar.
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> That isn't true - you certainly speak every day with people who use and
> apply a variety of grammars, and the reason you can speak is that the
> intersection of those grammars is big enough (usually) that you all
> understand each other.
>
> Game playing (poker and so forth) does not really map well to natural
> language, anyway (IMHO). Computer languages map to games better, since
> the rules are regular, and easily expressed in simple terms.
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> > >There is tremendous enjoyment, and mental discipline available in
working
> > >with the grammar, and learning the language - I don't disagree with
that.
> > >But, to me, the biggest win is the sense of wonder in introducing the
> > >language.
> >
> > What i enjoy in learning the language is the way my brain gets remapped
> > by learning and thinking in the new grammar and vocabulary.
>
> Of course. This sounds pretty close to my usual rhapsodies when I explain
> the enjoyment of tlhIngan Hol to non-Klingonists.
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> > Introducing
> > a new language is certainly a big win, but how can you say it's the
> > "biggest" when you haven't achieved the next level?
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> Hmmm ... I guess, I'm happy with the jackpot I've got.
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> joel anderson * [email protected] * [email protected]
> mIghghachvo' yImej 'ej yIQaQ; roj yInej 'ej Dochvam yItlha'
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