tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Apr 30 08:49:33 1997
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Re: -moH
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: -moH
- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:49:32 -0400 (EDT)
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]> (message fromMarian Schwartz on Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:40:20 -0700 (PDT))
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>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:40:20 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Marian Schwartz <[email protected]>
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> Does anyone see anything wrong with using a verb with "-moH" statively?
>Qapla'
Sorry if this has been answered a million times already...
If you mean "statively" as in adjectivally (i.e. following a noun as an
adjective), I have a problem with it. We're told that verbs "expressing a
state or quality" can be used this way. While it isn't 100% cut and dried,
it seems pretty clear to me (YMMV) that such verbs are intransitive, not
transitive. That is, doing something to something else doesn't qualify as
a state or quality. A verb with -moH by nature has to be transitive, so it
really sounds wrong to me.
I can see what you're trying for, though: using the transitive verb with
the unstated object (as in "jIghuHmoH"/"I warn [just in general]" or canon
"maSop"/"we eat [generally speaking, or something unimportant to the
discussion]") and trying for something like "?ghogh ghuHmoH"/"a warning
voice." But that's really "ghuHmoHbogh ghogh" (then again, "Duj tIn" is
also "tInbogh Duj", so that's no proof either way), or possibly "ghuHmoHmeH
ghogh". IMO, you shouldn't use -moH'ed verbs as adjectives.
If you mean "statively" as in without a stated object, like "maSop", then
I'd say I have no problem with that. Okrand tells us that transitive verbs
can be used with no object, if the object is something general or
unspecified.
~mark
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