tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Sep 13 05:03:45 1996
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Re: nIDwIj wa'DIch
- From: [email protected] (Bill Willmerdinger)
- Subject: Re: nIDwIj wa'DIch
- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:57:02
(Since this message goes beyong the scope of KLBC, I've removed the KLBC
header.)
> From: ur-valhalla!acsinc.net!triqal (HoD trI'Qal)
> Subject: (KLBC) Re: nIDwIj wa'DIch
> Unfortunately, your one grammatical error here was something we
> probably should have int eh FAQ as a warning: the use of the verb
> <pong> has not been fully described to us, so we aren't really sure
> how to use it.
While I fully agree that {*Qob* 'oH pongwIj'e'} is the "safe" way to say "My
name is Qob", I think it's time we stopped fighting over the "instinctive" use
of {pong}. The original argument against using {pong} to say "I name my son
'Qob'" was that this requires apposition ("son" and "Qob" are in apposition).
However, with Skybox card S26 {lurSa be'etor je}, we have a canon example of
apposition: {... DuraS be'nI'pu' lurSa be'etor je}, translated as "the sisters
of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor". I personally have no problem (now) with saying
{*Qob* puqloDwI' vIpong}.
We also have a canon use of the verb {pong} on S27 {Qo'noS}. This card
contains the sentence {roD 'oHvaD juHqo' ponglu' neH}. While this sentence is
combined with another in the English translation ("What is a single sentence
in ENglish is often two in Klingon") the translation is fairly evident:
"(Qo'noS) is usually refered to as simply "The Homeworld". To me, {juHqo'
ponglu'} quite clearly says "someone calls it 'the Homeworld'". (I do admit
to uncertainty about what {'oHvaD} is doing in there; it certainly seem
redundant, and we've discussed the meaning of {roD} before.)
So, yes, I agree that there should be a FAQ, but I no longer see a need to
make a big deal about *not* using the verb {pong} - just an explaination of
why it *does* work.
cha' DeQmey tItlhap! <g>
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