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Re: pong



SuStel writes:
>jIQubtaH . . . We all know of the problem with the word {pong}.  We don't
>know how to say something like "I created a character.  His name is Krunoth."

Sure we do.  {pongDaj 'oH Qunotlh'e'}.  That *is* how you said it.

>Suppose {pong} were considered a word of saying.  After all, a name is a
>thing you say.  If this were the case, then to say "I named him Krunoth," you
>could say {Qunotlh vIpongta'} or {vIpongta' Krunoth}.  If you were going to
>play the part of Krunoth in a play, I could say {Qunotlh qapong} or {qapong
>Qunotlh}.  This would eliminate the double-object problem.

Ugh.  Verbs of saying are usually used with complete sentences.

I think a very good answer came up a while ago -- the object of the verb
"to name" is the person or thing being named, whereas the name itself is
an entity called a "predicate nominative" or some such term.  Since it's
not a subject or object, the name must just go somewhere before the real
object of the sentence.  There's no Type 5 "syntactic marker" noun suffix
for names, so in the manner of time words, the name should probably just
sit there with no explicit indicators.

>I myself will not use this idea until more information comes out, but I
>thought it bears contemplation.  Personally, how to use the words of speaking
>is {mI' wa'} on my own wish list.  However, I'd love to be able to say
>{SuStel jIpong'eghta'}.

This sentence fits the pattern of making the name an unmarked non-subject,
non-object syntactical entity.  It doesn't require any new rules; it just
means we have to decide that {pong} has the same *single* direct object as
"name" does, and that a predicate nominative is neither subject nor object.

-- ghunchu'wI'               batlh Suvchugh vaj batlh SovchoH vaj




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