tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon May 13 09:07:13 1996
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Re: double consonants & homophones was: Re: KLBC: naDev jIH tu'lu'
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>Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 18:23:06 -0700
>From: "ZIEBA,MACIEJ STANISLAW,MR" <[email protected]>
>"Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Hmm. I recently posted that I don't pronounce doubled consonants as
>>doubled (like in English, we generally don't doubnle our consonants in
>>speech), but I've been listening to myself and it's not quite true. I *do*
>>tend to pronounce double consonants as long consonants. Sort of like the
>>"k" in "bookkeeper" is longer than the one in "bookie" or the "n" in
>>"penknife" is longer than the one in "penny." Stranger still, I even
>>occasionally pronounce the affricates with two onsets, so "ghajjaj" sounds
>>like "ghaj jaj" with ALL the j's pronounced. I'll have to listen to the
>>tapes some more to see if this makes sense.
>That's a kind of description of how *geminated* consonants are pronounced in
>laguages that have them. You don't pronounce two FULL stops/affricates
Yes; I am familiar with the term. So I'm saying that my stops (including
glottals) seem to be geminated (and my continuants as well), but my
affricates have two onsets, whicoh doesn not seem to be the usual geminate
pronunciation.
>That's why I have asked once about {''} in Klingon: do you pronounce
>them as two consonants or as a geminated one?
I pronounce them geminated.
>>And ambiguity was never
>>something Klingon really tried to avoid. We have plenty of homophones
>>already, even things like "Daba'" for "he definitely behaves" and "you
>>watch it."
>You forget the rules of stress. TKD p. 17.
>"Daba'" for "he definitely behaves" is stressed "Daba'"
> ��
>"Daba'" for "you watch it" is stressed "Daba'"
> ��
OK, then try "yot'a'" vs. "yot'a'" (great invasion vs. did they invade?).
Interrogative verb-suffixes are stressed, according to TKD. I'm sure other
examples exist and can be found without much effort.
~mark
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