tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue May 07 14:18:37 1996
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Re: Klingon roleplaying game (/bak)
- From: Susan Farmer <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Klingon roleplaying game (/bak)
- Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 17:20:17 -0400
>If we get from Alpha to Beta testing, I'll give you all more details.
>
>. . . speaking of "alpha" and "beta", what are the _names_ of the tlhIngan
>letters. For instance, "H" is the symbol, but the letter is "aytch."
Funny you should ask! Oficially, there are none, but I saved these posts from
last year. Hope you find them as interesting/useful as I did.
tevram
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:27:20 -0800
From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
> > > I had toyed with using the first noun that appears in TKD under each
> > > Klingon letter.
> >
> > The first noun isn't always the best.
>
> Here is an informal sort of military jargon-ish idea:
> a: 'aj (admiral) b: beH (rifle) ch: cha (torpedoes)
> D: DaS (boot) e: 'etlh (sword) gh: ghe''or (netherworld)
> H: HIp (uniform) I: 'Iw (blood) j: juHqo' (homeworld)
> l: la' (commander) m: mang (soldier) n: nIch (ammunition)
> ng: ngaq (support, mil. term) o: 'otlh (photon)
> p: pu' (phaser) q: qeq (drill) Q: QI' (military)
> r: raQ (camp) S: Sa' (general) t: taj (knife)
> tlh: tlhab (freedom) u: 'utlh (officer) v: vaj (warrior)
> w: waw' (base) y: yoD (shield) ': 'u' (universe)
>
my own list uses verbs rather than nouns:
Vowels:
"a" 'av (guards) "e" 'el (enters) "u" 'ut (is essential)
"I" 'Ip (swears) "o" 'ov (competes)
Glides:
"w" wam (hunts) "y" yoH (is brave) "l" lI' (is useful)
Fricatives:
"H" HoH (kills) "gh" ghoch (tracks down)
"S" Sep (breeds) "v" vang (acts)
Trill:
"r" rotlh (is tough)
Nasals:
"ng" ngotlh (is functional) "n" noy (is famous)
"m" muH (executes)
Stops:
"'" 'aw' (stings) "Q" Qob (is dangerous) "q" qaD (challenges)
"D" Dugh (is vigilant) "t" tIch (insults) "tlh" tlhutlh (drinks)
"p" pup (is perfect) "b" buS (concentrates on)
Affricates:
"ch" chargh (conquers) "j" jaq (is bold)
and if you are unhappy with denoting vowels by words
starting with "'", one could match the LAST sound of the
syllable with the character described...
(but I leave the task of finding suitable names to those
with a computerized dictionary)
"Dochlangan" Marc
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Marc Ruehlaender [email protected]
Universitaet des Saarlandes, Saarbruecken, Germany
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:06:41 -0800
From: "Christian Matzke" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re[2]: Q
On 17 Nov 95 at 0:27, Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]> wrote:
> my own list uses verbs rather than nouns:
> Vowels:
> "a" 'av (guards) "e" 'el (enters) "u" 'ut (is essential)
> "I" 'Ip (swears) "o" 'ov (competes)
If nothing else, I think these *sound* very nice. 'av, 'Ip, 'el, 'ov,
'ut has a very natural sound to it.
> Glides:
> "w" wam (hunts) "y" yoH (is brave) "l" lI' (is useful)
>
> Fricatives:
> "H" HoH (kills) "gh" ghoch (tracks down)
> "S" Sep (breeds) "v" vang (acts)
>
> Trill:
> "r" rotlh (is tough)
>
> Nasals:
> "ng" ngotlh (is functional) "n" noy (is famous)
> "m" muH (executes)
>
> Stops:
> "'" 'aw' (stings) "Q" Qob (is dangerous) "q" qaD (challenges)
> "D" Dugh (is vigilant) "t" tIch (insults) "tlh" tlhutlh (drinks)
> "p" pup (is perfect) "b" buS (concentrates on)
>
> Affricates:
> "ch" chargh (conquers) "j" jaq (is bold)
>
> and if you are unhappy with denoting vowels by words
> starting with "'", one could match the LAST sound of the
> syllable with the character described...
This is a good alternative, as the vowels could be represented
without any chance of being confused with {'}.
Still, no matter what system is used, how do we distinguish in a sentance
that these words should be translated as letters of the pIqaD instead
of their TKD translations? If I were to say "jaqbogh pIqaD Degh"
(symbol of the pIqaD which is bold) would you be able to tell I meant
the letter {j}? Of course, this then brings in the possibility of
Klingon superstition. The Vikings believed that letters, when
inscribed on objects, worked as charms. If I inscribed an {S}
(Sepbogh pIqaD Degh) on your bed perhaps it would bring you
fertility. Now if I instead inscribed the {H} (HoHbogh pIqaD Degh) it
would have quite a different effect.
Just for fun I took a look at Klingon ornamentation which uses the
pIqaD. All Klingon warriors wear the letters "ch, b, r, and y" (not in
that order) on their gauntlets. These letters translate (using Marc's
system) as:
"concentrate on , conquer, be tough, be brave" Nice coincidence!
}};^)>
>"Dochlangan" Marc
maSqa'
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