tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Mar 13 17:09:27 1996

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Re: nabwIj - tlhIngan wo' batlh(&KLBC)

First I want to thank you all for all of the suggestions you gave me for
"nabwIj".  Thanks to ghunchu'wI' especially, and addressing you [ghunchu'wI']
specifically, I just want to apologize for any time I might have come accross
as offensive or rude.  I really didn't meant to if it seemed that way...No
hard feelings?

Now responing to what ghunchu'wI' said:

>>juppu'wI' bIleghmeH,  romuluSnganpu' chargh rotlh law'
>> verenganpu' chargh rotlh puS
>>However, I am not sure even if this one
>> is right...
>{chargh} is a verb, and cannot fit the slot in 
>the {law'/puS} construction in which you have
> tried to place it.  Try 
>{romuluSngan DIcharghmeH Qu' Qatlh
>law' verengan DIcharghmeH Qu' Qatlh puS}

I'm a bit at a loss here.  You said that {chargh} is a verb that couldn't
fint into law'/puS construction?  But on your sentence we still see {chargh}.
 Is this allowed because of the {-meH}? or is it because it is followed by
{Qu'}, a noun? 

>>>>"Qu'vatlh! nuqDaq jangrajghach jay' "

>>>nuqjatlh?  Where's the verb, and what
>>> do you mean by {jangrajghach}?

>>If {-ghach} makes {jang} a noun?
>> Why couldn't this mean "Where ARE my @#$&
>>replies?"

>First, {-ghach} on a bare verb is weird.  
>Okrand says it feels like" pleasureness" would 
>in English; the meaning is almost clear, but the
>word is not quite normal.  Second, noun 
>suffixes go on *nouns*, thus
>would *follow* the {-ghach}.
  
I'm gathering that other than the wrong suffix placement, I have not quite
understood how to make a verb a noun.  Is there some other way to do it?  Or
am I missing a point Okrand was trying to make in the TKD?

>I guess I won't complain too strongly
>about the shorthand {nuqDaq 'oH}, 
>but I'd prefer that beginners keep
>to the most easily understood forms 
>until they are very well along with the grammar.

You're absolutely right.  A pyramid could not stand without a foundation, and
I must fortify my foundations. (how corny and cliche,  yet, it is so fitting
to my problem!) :)

Okey dokey!  I understand everything else, even though it took me so long to.
 As a great man once said: "D'oh!" 

qatho'qa'
Qapla'

-Thiago Miranda

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