tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jul 26 17:55:48 1996
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Re: Any philosophers out there?
- From: Will Martin <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Any philosophers out there?
- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:55:44 -0400 ()
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DaH, qechvam yIDel tlhIngan Hol DajatlhtaHvIS! Otherwise,
it is getting a wee bit off topic...
On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:11:58 -0700 Garrett Michael Hayes
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 17 Jul 96 at 9:34,
[email protected] wrote:
>
> > So, when I say {jIQubtaH vaj jIH}, I am not saying "I think
> > therefore I exist," which is not the point of the original, but
> > rather, "I think, I am actually conscious of my actions and what
> > they mean, therefore I am an entity separate from the rest of the
> > universe." In "I think, therefore I am," the "I am" refers to the
> > state of being a closed, individual part of the universe, separate
> > from it.
>
> Actually, I believe you have it backwards. Descarte was indeed
> concerned the with *fact* of existence, not with separation from the
> rest of the universe.
>
> "How do I know that I exist?" was the question with which he
> grappled. He reasoned thus: It is quite possible to doubt that the
> external universe we see and touch has any reality. It is very
> possible to doubt that I am correct in how I perceive my physical
> structure. But given the mere fact of my thoughts, I cannot doubt my
> *existence*. I may be unable to prove anything else, but that I
> exist, I do know.
>
> 'etlhqengwI'
> (vuDmeywIjvaD jIngoy' jiH'e')
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Will Martin
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