tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed May 10 10:28:14 1995
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Re: what (question)
- From: [email protected] (Jim Boniface)
- Subject: Re: what (question)
- Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:28:24 -0700
>On Wed, 10 May 1995, Jim Boniface wrote:
>> Is there a way in klingon to use the word "what" not so much as a
>> question? I'm asking because for some reason I started to translate the
>> song "mother" by Danzig, and in the song it says
>> Tell your childer not to hear my words
>> what they mean
>> what they say
>> but I couldn't figure out how to translate the "what they mean" or "what
>> they say"
>
>Gosh, this class of posting is really getting old, so *I'm* gonna say
>something...
>
>Klingon is not Coded English. There is no 1-1 correspondence. Too often
>we get requests like this, where it is apparent that this point is
>completely lost on the requestor.... that the FIRST 74 PAGES OF TKD ARE
>MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT FOLLOWS!
>
>And actually, translation into *any* language is not a 1-1 thing. I
>guess if Marc Okrand had just come up with some Pig Klingon scheme:
>
>IjIH ambIH a ingonklIH oldiersIH.. ouyIH illwIH iedIH
>
>some people would go away and "translate" any ol' thing they wanted to....
>
>But, there is a need to be obhelpful.... Let's try translating the thing
>into Klingon-style English... This is called "recasting"....
>
>> Tell your childer not to hear my words
>> what they mean
>> what they say
>
>You tell your children:
>Don't listen to my words;
>They possess nothing. (i.e. they mean nothing)
>They say nothing.
>
>Child-ren-your (you(sg,imp)-them)-tell:
>Word-s-my-vaD (you(pl,imp)-them)-listen-not.
>pagh (they)-have word-s-my.
>pagh (they)-say word-s-my.
>
>Now *you* should be able to finish from here.....
>
First off, thanks for the help, but that's not the meaning behind the words
of the lyrics. Second, I've been reading the TDK over and over again (even
here at work when I get time) sorry I'm not catching on as quick as you did.
I know it's not a 1-1 thing, but I thought I might be missing something as
far as using "what" as a non-question. third, CHILL THE FUCK OUT, I'm glad
I've talked with some of the other people who know alot more about klingon
before I came upon your message, I'd be saying fuck this learning klingon. I
thought this might be one of the few hobbies where there wouldn't be people
jumping down other people's back for asking a 'stupid' question.
(sorry about the swearing everyone)
Jim
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