tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Sep 16 07:44:22 1994

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Re: introductions



> 
> 
> According to R.B Franklin:
> > 
> > 
> > >>Is that a leveq in your pocket or are you glad to see me?
> > 
> > I suspect the Original Klingon version of Mae West's translation was 
> > something like:
> > HIch 'oH'a' Dochvetlh'e' ngaSbogh yopwaHlIj pagh cholegh 'e' bIquch'a' neH?
> > 
> > yoDtargh
> you lost it.
> 
> {'e'} as a pronoun is always the object of the verb that
> follows it. {quch} means "kidnap". {Quch} means "be happy",
> which is intransitive, so {'e'} cannot be its object. Replace
> everything after {pagh} with {... choleghmo' bIQuch'a' neH?}
> and I think you'll have what you were after.
> 
> The idea is that {'e'} represents the entire earlier sentence
> and stands as the direct object of the second verb, as in
> {bI'IH 'e' vIQub}. "I think that you are beautiful." See? (Who
> says you can't sweet talk in Klingon?) The word "that" in the
> English stands for the entire other sentence. "You are
> beautiful. I think that." 
> 
> In your example, it falls apart: "You see me. You are happy
> that." It doesn't work that way. This is another example of how
> words in English can be used in more different ways than in
> Klingon. You were thinking, "You are happy that you see me." In
> this case, the word "that" is not really the direct object of
> "happy".  Actually, I'd have a rough time explaining WHAT the
> word "that" is doing in that sentence. (Do I hear the drip of
> salivating linguists?)

So what happens in constructions like "Shut up!": 

{bijatlh 'e' yimev} ?

As far as I can see, it says:  You speak, you stop that. 

How does the English verb "stop" work here?  It seems to have no direct
object - it refers to another verb.  Not an identical case, but one that
is similarly undefined by your example.

> 
> Go to it, linguists. I'm a Klingonist, not an Englishist.

Do Physicists count?  (And I don't mean fundamental particles.)

> 
> charghwI'
> 
> 

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