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Re: pronouns and <-bogh>



ghItlh Joseph W. Casey:
\ The way I understood it was "I continue (or as close as I could come to
\ always) to return, I don't remember chegh being a noun but as a verb.
That's my point.  For "chegh jIHtaH" to make sense, "chegh" would have to
be a noun.  "<X> jIH", with or without the -taH, means "I am <X>".  It doesn't
make sense, therefore, for <X> to be a verb.  If you want "I <X>", where <X>
is a verb, then the form is "jI<X>", thus, "jIchegh" is "I return", and
"jIcheghtaH" is "I continuously return" or "I am returning".  Sticking the
"reH" on the front conveys the sense of "always" more exactly.

\ >\ Secondly, on this point, My line motto is Yin Qap'ej this is supposed to
\ >\ say "Survive and Succeed". How badly did I mangle this one.
\ >Very close.  You made exactly the opposite of the ususal "and" error - when
\ >joining nouns, the "je" does go after both nouns, but when joining verbs,
\ >the "'ej" goes between them, just as English: "yIn 'ej Qap".    
\ >
\ >You might want to change the form of the verbs, though - what the above
\ >literally means is "they live and succeed" (or "It lives and succeeds", etc.).
\ >Although it's arguably Clipped Klingon for some other sense, if you have
\ >something else in mind, you might want to say it explicitly:
\ >
\ >"May you live and succeed" would be "bIyInjaj 'ej bIQapjaj" -
\ >"We live and succeed" would be "mayIn 'ej maQap".   Or you could fall back
\ >on the nominal version from the book - "Survival and success!" (well,
\ >actually, "Life and success!") would be "yIn Qapla' je".
\ >
\ It was supposed to be almost issued as a challenge to the line members, in
\ Clipped Klingon. And according to my KD Qap is Succeed where Qapla is
\ Success, or did I read it wrong?
No, you read it right.  Look at my examples - they all use "Qap" except the
last one, in which I translated "Qapla'" as "success".

And if you intended it as a challenge, then probably the imperative form
as given by charghwI' and ~mark is your best bet:

	yIyIn 'ej yIQap!

-marqoS



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