tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Aug 02 06:11:36 1994
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Re: sayings, and Klingon Translation Ideology
- From: HoD trI'Qal <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: sayings, and Klingon Translation Ideology
- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "SuvwI' Ka' Rul" at Jul 27, 94 05:48:43 pm
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> > this case, "it" really means "today", so using "it" is rather
> > idomatic to English and we are not sure it works in Klingon.
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> > jIHeghmeH QaQ DaHjaj.
> > "For the purpose that I die, today is good."
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> > charghwI'
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> Sorry, man, I gotta use my first post to disagree. Here's why.
> It seems to me that the concention is to back off from a decisive
> translation, based on the concept that Klingon culture could convey such
> a message or saying in an infinite number of ways, and we have no way to
> guess.
> Well, here's my postulation to solve part of the problem. When a Klingon
> translates a phrase and uses it in Fed Standard, he or she's not likely
> to bend it to fit Feddies' ears..."we're" gonna say it just as it was
> originally formed, as close to the original Klingon idiom (the Idiom
> problem can work for us as well as against {{:>). So when Worf says "It
> is a good day to die", I think we can assume the original Klingon is
> pretty close to that.
I would buy into this more, if Klingon was Worf's first language. It is
not. REmember; he was raised by *humans*. Terran Standard is is first
language... or by this point in his life, it is.
Show me a Klingon whose antive tongue is Hol'e', and I will agree you
have a valid arguement here.
> Besides, it would be a better phrase if "today" was the real subject,
> rather than another day, or merely the time frame of the deed of dying.
> I think that's the essential gist of the idiom, that now's as good a time
> as any, so fear me, baby {{:)
> am I making any sense?
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Uh... no... but I am known to be pretty dense at times...
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