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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh chorghmaH wa': narghbe'chugh SuvwI' qa' taH may'

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

At 10:52 '?????' 5/21/2012, you wrote:

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Qov <[email protected]> wrote:

...'ej vItIvrup. chaq mu'mey pab je vIbuS 'ej lut'e' vInuDbe'.

> Dop chob machvo' ghoS chang'eng. wej rIQ SuvwI' 'ach HoHmeH 'eb
> lujonqu'ruplaw'. Doy'choHlaw' 'ach tonSaw' Dun lu'aghtaH. much rur 'ach
> ghetbe'mo' much rurbe'. ngol HungpIn 'ej chuQ.

<chaQ> DaghItlhHa'ba'.


mu' vIqawHa'ba'. yabwIjDaq <chaQ> <chuH> je vIDuDlaw'. chaq DaH chaQ vIqaw.


> way'Ha'DI' be'tlhar woS bIng
> DuQchu' HungpIn betleH pach.
pach 'oH'a' betleH megh'an'e'? 'uchlaHbe'. SoQchoHlaHbe'. pach rurbe' 'e' vIQub.
Daj. jIHvaD 'uchnISbe' pach 'ej SoQnISbe'choH. jejnIS 'ej tIqnIS 'ej vay' jeqnIS. SoHvaD DuQwI' vItam. 


> purDI' qev wa' Hugh rur wab.

wa' Hugh rur'a'? be'tlhar Hugh buQlu'. bejwI' Hugh vIqel net chupDI',
loQ vIDachmoHlu'. wa' ghogh'e' rur'a' wab?


mISmoHlaH Hugh pIm 'e' vIqelbe'. vIchoH. DaH: <pe'vIl pur qev net QoylaH.>


> jachpu'chugh
> be'tlhar Qoybe'pu' vajar. Hugh SIjbe'pu' betleH. woS neH DuQ. narghmeH nach
> pep 'e' nID be'tlhar

(see my later comment)


vIchoHta' je.


> 'ach ta'choHDI' betleH SalmoH HungpIn. qaStaHvIS may'
> pIj HoH wa' Qagh.
(pIj HoH 'e' vIHon. wa'logh neH HoH. :-P jIqIDnISchoH. meqwIj yajlu' 'e' vIpIH.) 

yajlu'.


> nuj poSmoHDI' be'tlhar jatvo' jeq
> betleH QIn net leghlaH. nujvo' 'Iw tuy' jatlhlaw'taHvIS 'ach chuSmo'
> bejwI'pu', mu'meyDaj QoylaHbe' vajar. jeghbe'law'. nuj SoQta'DI' loQ betleH
> jIrmoH HungpIn. HoHmeH Hugh nejlaw' 'etlh. junmeH nogh be'tlhar 'ej
> betleHDaj'e' jopqu'. HungpIn chor DuQpu'. DoH HungpIn 'e' nID

Earlier you wrote {nach pep 'e' nID be'tlhar}. I didn't suggest
putting {be'tlhar} after the first verb and before {'e'} when I
encountered it, though I would have considered it easier to read.
Since you did choose to do that with {HungpIn} here, I'll mention the
earlier phrasing and let you decide whether it's worth changing.

>'ach
> be'tlharvo' betleH yuvmeH

DoHtaHvIS HungpIn mumISmoH <be'tlharvo' betleH yuvmeH>. wot pIm DaHech'a'?


bIlugh. qechwIj Del <teqmeH>.


>'ej bot chor DuQtaHbogh 'etlh. ' nargh
> 'e' nIDqa'DI' be'tlhar, pumchoH 'ej HungpInDaq betleH raD porghDaj. ravDaq
> pum cha' yaSpu'. 'Iw lughaychoH. HungpIn 'uSDu' jojDaq 'aD'a' SIjpu'law'
> be'tlhar betleH. chuSqu'be'choH bejwI'pu' choQ nguvmoHtaHvIS tlhIngan 'Iw.

(Hurgh'a' 'Iw? wov'a'? Doq 'ej wov 'e' vIlegh vIneH.)
Doqqu' 'ej wov 'oHbe'bej. 'Iw lughaj tlhInganpu'. Pepto Bismol lughajbe'. Doqqu' yInSIp law' qengmo'. 


> HungpIn.
> be'tlhar QoghIj DuQlaw'pu'. SupchoH ghIvDu'Daj nachDaj je 'ej betleHDaq
> puy'eghchoH.

nuv Dellaw'DI' <puy> jIbuSnIS. lo'vam lajchu'be' yabwIj.


jIyaj. wot vIparHa' 'ach chaq Duj vIpuylaH. Qaw''egh vItam.


> SuvwI'pu' QaHruplaw' bejwI'pu' 'ach wej Heghpu'mo' jeSwI'pu'
> pagh jeghpu'mo', taHtaH may'.

This doesn't sound right to me, but repeating the {wej} after {pagh}
doesn't sound right either. Changing it to use {V-pu'be'} instead of
{wej V-pu'} yields something that I don't trip over: {...'ach
Heghpu'be'mo' jeSwI'pu' 'ej jeghpu'be'mo', taHtaH may'.}
Seng vIyaj. jIchoHchoHDI' laDwI'wIj HoH AVG Update 'ej HoH choHmeywIj qIl jay'. jIQuchbe'. DaH latlh Qaghmey vItI'qa'ta' Sengvam vIbuSchoH. 


> mI'taHvIS be'tlhar porgh bejtaHvIS vajar,
> HeghlI' 'e' Sov, 'ach cha'Hu' ram bel qawmoH. ngugh voqbe'pu'. 'Il'a'?
>
> betleH chaghDI' HungpIn 'ej vIHbe'choHDI' tlhabchoH be'tlhar nach. nujDaj
> teb 'Iw. jatlh 'e' nIDlaw' 'ach mu'mey vo'laHbe'. poStaH mInDu'Daj 'ej
> vIH'eghtaH ghIvDu'Daj 'ach tlhuHbe' 'ej ghupbe' 'ej tuSbe'.
> tlhuH 'e' lIjlaw'.

I don't think this sentence says what it should. I suggest {tlhuHnIS
'e' lIjlaw'} or {tlhuHmeH mIw lIjlaw'}.


yaSmoHbej {tlhuHmeH mIw lIjlaw'}. vIlo'.


> HeghtaHvIS poStaH mInDu'Daj. cha' SuvwI'pu'vaD jach bejwI'pu' 'ej
> chobmeyvo' chuSqa' beymey. lut Dun luQoy qorDu'chaj.[150][151]

lut Dun wIlaD je maH.


Duy'mey DacherghtaHvIS lut DatIvlaHmo' jIbel. vIqon 'e' vItIvqu'.
- Qov 

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