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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] wa'maH cha' jatlhwI'pu' po'qu' chaH 'Iv'e'?

Lieven Litaer ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol ghojwI']

First of all, I've always wondered when is defined a "fluent" speaker. I always say that I am fluent in Klingon, but I admit immediately that I do not know *all* the words. If knowing all the words counts, I would even dare to say that there are less then twelve speakers! ;-)
(PS: I am fluent in english, no doubt, and certainly do not know all the words {{:-D)
If you count "partially" fluent speakers, then I estimate it to be more than several hundreds. I keep meeting klingon speakers which I have never met before, and I'm sure there are many people learning klingon without telling us. (why should they? :-) 

Am 24.03.2012 08:56, schrieb De'vID jonpIn:

[1] - I wanted to say "[Sometimes it's even claimed that] someone is
one of the twelve [fluent speakers]".  {wa'maH cha''e' wa' ghaH
vay''e'}?  Also, this is one time I wish I was speaking Morskan: so I
can emphasise the {vay''e'}.


I'd go like this {wa'maH cha' jatlhwI' po' wa' jatlhwI' ghaH'e'.}
A little more poetic and less literal:
{jatlhwI' po' ghom tay' wa' jatlhwI'vam}


[2] - Has {pabpo'} never appeared in canon?  Strange, I'm sure
everyone understands it.  I did find it in something written by {HoD
Qanqor}.
I think this was introduced by the KLI - or even Krankor - for the grammarians in 1994? An abbreviation of {pabwI' po'} "experienced follower of rules" 


[3] - I wanted to say "I haven't been yet" but {wej}... oh, {wej}, why
do you mean both "not yet" and "three"?


{wej qep'a' vISuch} is ambiguous, but Klingon is always context related:
--> {reH qep'a' vISuchta' vIneH, 'ach wej 'oH vISuchpu'.}


[4] - My first attempt at "How many [fluent speakers] do you think
there are?" was {jatlhwI'pu' po'qu' 'ar DanoH?}


Don't ask, give a command: {jatlhwI' po' mI' yInoH}
It's like "which weapon do you want?" {nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'.}

Lieven.

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