tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Mar 19 19:08:33 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {warjun} {tlher} je
<div dir="ltr">Okay, but these two are bimorphemic, consisting of two parts, like derivations or compounds. There are much more polysyllabic verbs of that kind ({choptaH}, {ghomHa'}, {ghojmoH}, {boqHa''egh} etc., there are quite a lot). More interesting are the bisyllabic verbs that cannot be derived from monosyllabic morphemes, I found:<br>
<br>{ghIpDIj} = to court-martial<br>{nughI'} = to twist one's knuckle into someone's head<br>{He'So'} = to stink (while the first part means "to smell", the second part doesn't logically seem to be derivable from {So'} "to hide")<br>
<br>These are all I could find. I might have missed one or two, though.<br><br>This also reminds me of Thai, a language in which almost all native monomorphemic verbs and adjectives are also monosyllabic, while there are many monomorphemic polysyllabic nouns. A polysyllabic verb that cannot be split into two meaningful components is usually an indicator for being borrowed from some other language like Pali, Khmer or Sanskrit, or having undergone a phonetic process which splitted a consonant cluster up by inserting an epenthetic vowel and thereby creating another syllable.<br>
<br>- André<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/20 lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Drat! Replied to the sender instead of the list again. Bleah!<br>
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tlher = Clarence because {tlher} is a verb, and except for {HoSghaj} and {lo'laH}, I'm pretty sure that all the verbs are monosyllabic. Those two verbs are "special". {tlher} is less "special".<br>
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lojmIt tI'wI' nuv<br>
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Terrence Donnelly wrote:<br>
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> HIvqa' veqlargh.<br>
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> Lumpy's sister was named Violet. I don't know if there was a Claire on that show.<br>
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> -- ter'eS<br>
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> --- On Mon, 3/19/12, Terrence Donnelly <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> From: Terrence Donnelly <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {warjun} {tlher} je<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>, "Robyn Stewart" <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>><br>
>> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 5:47 PM<br>
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>> --- On Mon, 3/19/12, Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
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>>>> Does anyone know the pun behind {tlher}?<br>
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>>> I can't remember whether it was the Beaver or his big<br>
>>> brother, but one of them had a pal named Lumpy.<br>
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>> The Beaver's big brother, Wally, had a friend named Clarence<br>
>> Rutherford, who was nicknamed Lumpy. His little sister, who<br>
>> was in Beaver's class, was named Claire.<br>
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>> -- ter'eS<br>
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