tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jul 16 19:54:44 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh wejmaH wej: pumDI' lojmIt
My mailer has made a hash out of what my phone sent. Re-edited here.
At 05:55 '?????' 7/16/2012, you wrote:
On 2012-07-15, at 23:16, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh
<[email protected]> wrote:
> pay' vay' qaw vajar: not Hota'ro' ngaghmeH tlhobta' vajar.
I'm not sure I like the {X-meH tlhob} construction; it feels a lot
like an Englishism, "he asked to X" rendered directly into Klingon.
It might just be my instincts, of course; I'd've gone with ngagh 'e' tlhob.
> I'll think about that one.
Thought about it and remembered one reason it isn't ngagh 'e' tlhob.
I needed the perfective to be very unambiguous on tlhobta'. Not he
didn't habitually, not he wasn't going to, but he never had
propositioned her for sex. I don't know if it helps your instinct any
to know that "he asked to X" is marked speech in my idiolect of
English. It sounds like the translation of something on a language
learning tape, as opposed to something someone would say. I was
definitely going for he hadn't growled at her for the purpose of
mating, but used tlhob, because we don't have a verb "make a low
sound like a chemvaH."
The placement of {not}, however, was an error and has been corrected.
>> vajar SaHqu'pu' 'ej puqchaj boghmoH neHbejpu'. > > As
ghunchu'wI' pointed out not long ago, since verb-neH is in many
ways > parallel to X 'e' Y, an aspect suffix may not be able to
appear on neH > in this kind of construct. I'll leave that up to you,
though. bepwI'pu' vIQuchmoH vIneH.
I made it:{puqchaj boghmoH neHbej, Heghpa'.} I kind of needed that
perfective. yatlhtaHvIS vajar be'nal cha'DIch, Hegh.
pa' lu'elDI' Dachlaw' qImyal. pa' DojmoH Dochmey wagh. > > Ugh... if
this were in English I'd tell you to buy a thesaurus. :P "The >
expensive things" seems a bit blah.
Thought about this more in the air today. You can read it as
expensive things, expensive objects, objects d'art ...
- Qov
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