tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jul 02 08:46:15 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A New Hope
'anan naHQun:
>> yay wa'DIch luQapta'.
Felix:
> I'd use luchavta' here:
> As I see it, one can Qap a Quj, a qaD, a may', a noH and the like, but
> I'm not sure one can Qap victory. We know from canon, however, that one
> can chav it.
>
> Consider the proverb:
> noH QapmeH wo' Qaw'lu'chugh yay chavbe'lu' [...]
> {Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory [...]
{yay chav} "achieve victory" does seem to be the idiom as it's been used two other times:
yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu'
Victory must be earned. TKW
qIbDaq Hoch Hovtay'mey bocharghchugh, yay bochav.
Victory shall be yours if you conquer the systems within
the Galaxy. MKE
WRT {chav} 'achieve, gain, attain", one can also {quv chav}:
batlhHa' vanglu'taHvIS quv chavbe'lu'
One does not achieve honor while acting dishonorably. TKW
and {Hegh chav}:
Hegh neH chav qoH
A fool's only achievement is death. TKW
and {ngoQ chav}:
tlhIngan ngoQmey chavmeH HoH tlhInganpu'
Klingons kill for their own purposes. TKW
ngoQvam luchavmeH ghawran maghpu' be'nI'pu'
To this end, the sisters have acted against Gowron... in order to
gain power. S26
and {qa' patlh chav}:
qaSDI' nenghep, qa' patlh chu' chav tlhIngan SuvwI'
The Age of Ascension marks a new level of spiritual attainment by a
Klingon warrior. S9
SuvwI' qa' patlh veb chavlaHmeH tlhIngan lo'chu' chaH. toDujDaj toblu'
[They] use the devices [painstiks] to inflict pain in a manner which
will allow the Klingon to attain a higher state of spirituality as a
warrior, proving his mettle. S32
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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