tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jan 26 07:48:56 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction
<div>tujangpu' 'e' vItlho'.</div><div><br></div><div>SuStel QIn vIlaDpu'DI' QaghwIj vIyaj. </div><div><br></div><div>wa' mu'tlheghDaq bogh neH latlh wot je vIlo' 'e' QaQbe' qech.</div>
<div><br></div><div>vIlatlhmeH cha' DuHmey vIlo'laH 'e' vIQub.</div><div><br></div><div>1) Qov DuH: Dochmey vIleghnISbogh.</div><div><br></div><div>2) loghaD DuH: vIleghmeH Dochmey vIneHbogh.</div><div><br>
</div><div>qatlh pong wot lo'taH SuStel, vIyajbe'. </div><div><br></div><div>nuQ SuQub ?</div><div><br></div><div>vIQos vIQaghchugh, taghwI' jIH.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136)">--<br>
Wiechu</span><br>
<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/25 Steven Boozer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:<br>
<br>
vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh<br>
Conquer what you desire. TKW<br>
<br>
nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!<br>
Which weapon do you want?<br>
("Identify the weapon that you want!")<br>
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Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>]<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I<br>
>> want to see"<br>
>><br>
>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.<br>
><br>
> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh<br>
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey<br>
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},<br>
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be<br>
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that<br>
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't<br>
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.<br>
><br>
> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence<br>
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -<br>
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that<br>
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact<br>
> of 'I see things' that I want".<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Philip<br>
<br>
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