tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Nov 15 21:18:45 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' chorghmaH wej: <'e' tul pagh tlhIngan>
ghItlhpu' Qov, jatlh:
> Could I not say:
> ghutar HoH HoD 'ej HIq tlhutlh je.
> ghutar HoH HoD 'ej nov qIH je Hota'ro'.
>
> Does the verb that the je appends to have to have some relation to the
> previous verb or share subjects and objects? The second one seems pretty
> strange. but I'm sure I could concoct a context in which it made sense.
jang ghunchu'wI', jatlh:
> As TKD describes it in Section 5.3, {je} used this way is still a noun
> conjunction. {HIq tlhutlh je} "he drank liquor too" could mean either
> "he and others drank liquor" or "he drank liquor and something else".
> The null prefix suggest to me that the former meaning is unlikely. But
> it absolutely does not mean "also, he drank liquor."
With respect, yes, that's exactly what it means. SkyBox card SP2 has the
following text describing the tlhIngan may' taj:
ghop luQan tajHommey. pe'laH je.
The bladelets protect the hand. They can also cut.
(My translation, because the English version on the card is quite free.)
Similarly, Marc said in an MSN posting back in 1996:
qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je. tIv'eghtaH
je.
[At the third qep'a' Klingon students will speak. Also, they will learn.
Also, they will enjoy themselves.]
While these differ from Qov's example in lacking a connecting {'ej}, I
don't see how adding it should change the sense of {je} in either example,
and there's no explicit noun in any of these clauses that {je} could be
appropriately applied to. I think TKD refers to {je} as a noun conjunction
in 5.3 more to show that it's that form and not the sentence conjunction
form {'ej} that's the one to be used adverbially.
QeS 'utlh
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