tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Jan 20 13:47:48 2011
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RE: nom qetwI'
Quvar:
>>> nom qetchugh vay', vaj ghaHvaD *nom qetwI'* vIpong
>>> net chaw''a'? jIghelqa': DIp choHlaH'a' chuv?
ghunchu'wI':
>> Qapbe'. Seng Datu'law'pu' je SoH.
Quvar:
>>> jIjatlhchugh {nom qetwI' vIlegh}, vaj nom jIlegh jIH.
>>> nom qetbe' ghaH. vaj chay' nom qetbogh loD vIponglaH?
ghunchu'wI':
>> bIghelHa'. bIjang'eghta': nom qetbogh loD ghaHba'.
>>
>> pong mach DapoQbej'a'? chaq <Do loD> Dalaj.
chaq <Do qetwI'> ("speed runner"; cf. the cartoon character Speed Racer!)?
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
> qetchu'wI' vIlegh. qetbejwI' vIlegh. qettaHvIS loD vIleghbogh, SuS rur.
> vIghro' juSlaHbogh loD'e' vIlegh. mujuSta'bogh loD vIlegh. qettaHvIS
> loD vIleghbogh, nISwI' tIH rur. tloS qetwI' vIlegh, 'ach tlhoy nom
> qetmo 'vIleghchu'be'.
"I don't see him clearly because excessively runs fast to an excessive degree."
This sounds like you're talking about someone who spends too much time running fast (e.g. someone who runs sprints for 8 hours a day), not someone who is simply running too fast for you to see him.
Okrand writes in HolQeD 8.3:
[{tlhoy}] is used in such sentences as:
tlhoy jISop.
I eat too much, I eat excessively.
tlhoy bIQong
you sleep too much, you sleep excessively.
When {tlhoy} is used, it denotes that the action expressed by the
verb is what is being overly done or done too much. Thus the sentence:
{tlhoy qagh vISop} "I eat too much gagh, I eat gagh excessively, I
overeat gagh" expresses the notion that the eating is excessive, not
that the amount of gagh is. [...] Similarly, {tlhoy yIHmey vIlegh}
"I see too many tribbles" means "I overly see tribbles" (perhaps this
could be used if one meant something like "I see tribbles far too
frequently and in far too many places"). [...]
> That last one stretches the grammar by including two adverbials, which
> probably isn't allowed, though this limits our capacity to express
> things to a degree I don't like very much.
>
> Then again, I don't like that there is no verbal equivalent to {nom}
> and {QIt}, since that eliminates the use of adjectives applied to nouns
> referring to the quality of their velocity. There are no fast ships.
> There are only ships that go quickly.
Why not use {-qu'}:
nom qetqu'mo', loD vIleghlaHchu'be'.
Because he's running far too fast, I can't see the man clearly.
We have an example of {nom} and {-qu'} used with a verb of motion:
nom yIghoSqu'
Maximum speed. ST5
and {-qu'} used separately with an action verb:
tIqIpqu' 'ej nom tIqIp
Hit them hard and hit them fast. TKW
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons