tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Dec 27 10:34:47 2010
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RE: News from Maltz
maHvatlh/ Zrajm C Akfohg:
> Looking through some old postings on this mailing lists to find words
> that I might have missed and should include in the Klingonska
> Akademien dictionary, I found the following which I simply cannot make
> sense of:
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:40, ghunchu'wI' <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > 2) The noun {vIl} is hard to define. ÂMaltz had given a description
> > of something which was immediately recognized as a speed bump by
> > everyone present, but it was apparently intended not as an actual
> > definition but as an example of something which is "just there".
> > There is obviously an etymological relationship with and {vIlle'},
> > which is currently the best clue we have to its true meaning.
> > ["Groupie" and "entourage" were suggested by those present at the
> > time, but Marc didn't think they fit.]
>
> Does the noun {vIl} refer to a "speed bump"? Or does it mean
> "something which/someone who is just there"? Or does it have some
> meaning similar to "groupie"/"entourage" (but not quite that)?
ghunchu'wI':
>> Read the rest of the "News from Maltz" thread in the July 2009
>> archives. Then you'll know as much as everyone else does.
>>
>> /tlhIngan-Hol/2009/July/thread.html#00191
{vIl} [someone or something one can always find around (n.); a movie "extra" or a "red shirt"?] (n.) (qep'a' 2009)
"The noun {vIl} is hard to define. Maltz had given a description of something which was immediately recognized as a speed bump by everyone present, but it was apparently intended not as an actual definition but as an example of something which is 'just there'. There is obviously an etymological relationship with {vIlle'}, which is currently the best clue we have to its true meaning. Consider someone who keeps showing up when you go places. This person doesn't necessarily have any particular importance to what you're doing, and it wouldn't matter to you at all if he or she weren't present, but the person is 'just there'. That would be a {vIl}. It also can describe someone who hangs around, ready to help out, whether or not you need anyone to help you. Again, it wouldn't make any difference to you if the person weren't there. [...] (Groupie and entourage were suggested by those present at the time, but Marc didn't think they fit.)" (ghunchu'wI', 7/26/09)
"{vIl} strikes me more as referring to someone or something you keep noticing, rather than something or someone you would intentionally look for. When I asked Marc Okrand whether sidekick would be an appropriate term, he said no, and gave this example: 'It would apply to this woman I know who seems to show up (as an audience member or an usher or something) at every play I go to. I don't know why she's always there, but it's weird'." (ghunchu'wI', 7/27/2009)
{vIl} be ridgy (forehead) (v.)
- QuchlIj vIl law' QuchwIj vIl pIm
your forehead is not as ridgy as my forehead.
- QuchwIj vIl law' QuchlIj vIl puS (HQ 13.1:10)
my forehead is ridgier than your forehead.
- QuchlIj vIl law'be' QuchwIj vIl puSbe' (HQ 13.1:10)
your forehead isn't ridgier than my forehead (HQ 13.1:10)
vIlHom ridge (forehead) (n.) (qep'a' 2009)
"It was also suggested that {vIlHom} could be a single ridge in a {Quch}. ... If [Okrand] didn't suggest it directly, he did affirm in. {vIlHomDu'} was mentioned and {vIlHommey} was compared to being surrounded by Klingons (followed by some laughter). I don't remember if the words came from HoD Qanqor or Marc himself, but they were conversing about it." (qurgh, 7/28/09)
A Klingon's ridges continue along the back down to the buttocks. (TNG "Ethics")
{vIlle'} follower, disciple, fan, admirer, minion (n.) (qep'a' 2009)
"A {vIlle'}, on the other hand, is definitely someone you want to have around--a follower, disciple, fan, admirer, minion." (Okrand, 7/26/09)
"Marc suggested {boQ} or {cha'DIch} for the 'sidekick' idea I was asking about." (ghunchu'wI', 7/29/09)
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons