tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Apr 14 13:42:43 2008
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Re: Klingon WOTD: ngIl (verb)
Voragh:
> >> Used in canon:
> >>
> >> qagh, ro'qegh'Iwchab, targh tIq Sop 'e' lungIl Humanpu' puS
> >> Few humans dare to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ. S21
lay'tel SIvten:
>I'd forgotten this example.
>I assumed that {ngIl} meant 'dare' in the sense of 'challenge':
>
> I dare you to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ!
Voragh:
> > Since S21 is our only example of {ngIl}, I don't know. I'm also stumbling
> > over the "I dare/challenge you to X". Have we ever seen the "prefix
> trick"
> > used with {'e'}? I can't think of an example off the top of my head.
lay'SIv:
>On the other hand, why would you use a double object in the example above?
>Just say {X 'e' vIngIl}.
>
>{juDev 'ej Dujvam ra'wI' DagheS 'e' vItlhob}
>I ask you to lead us as commander of this ship
>(lit.: I request that you lead us and that you assume the duties of commander
>of this ship) (KGT p184)
There's the answer. For some reason I was hung up on "I dare you" with a
SAO. Assuming you can use {ngIl} like this, it would be:
I dare you to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ!
qagh, ro'qegh'Iwchab, targh tIq DaSop 'e' vIngIl.
or even:
qagh, ro'qegh'Iwchab, targh tIq DaSop 'e' DangIl 'e' vIqaD.
I challenge you to dare to eat gagh, rokeg blood pie, or heart of targ!
>I looked for a synonym for {ngIl}, and found only {qaD} -
>
>qaD challenge (n)
>qaD challenge (v)
>{qaD} <resist>, <oppose>, <confront>, <face> (v)
>{qaD} <test> of one's abilities (n)
>
>Only the last one is close to the meaning of "dare".
I'm not really sure of the difference between {qaqaD} "I challenge you" and
{qangIl} "I dare you" other than the latter may bring {quv} "personal
honor, "face"} into play.
>But I see no canon examples of it.
The idiom {ngup qaD} "challenge the cape" (cf. KGT 157) and the TKW example:
nIteb Qob qaD jup 'e' chaw'be' SuvwI'
A warrior does not let a friend face danger alone. TKW
are the only known examples of the verb {qaD}.
>{qaD} also occurs in the related words {mu'qaD} and {nalqaD} and the
>apparently unrelated words {pIqaD} and {qo'qaD}.
Now there's {qaDrav} "challenge floor" in the De Candido novels on which
Okrand consulted:
Literally "challenge floor," it is a raised, fenced platform in
the plaza outside Klingon Defense Force Headquarters where challenges
between warriors were once regularly held."
["Klingon Empire: A Burning House" ([c2008]]
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons