tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Dec 16 09:07:15 2007
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Re: jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'
QeS 'utlh wrote:
>> Note that in my terminology, the final noun of a copula is *not* a
>> subject; it is only a topic. The copula has a syntax all its own
>> that is not Object-Verb-Subject; it is Copulative-Pronoun-Topic.
>
> So you contend that {-'e'} in the copulative structure is acting in
> its topic/comment function (the function in which it ordinarily seems
> to become a header) rather than in its focus function (in which nouns
> remain in situ)?
I'm not convinced that the functions of topic and focus are entirely
distinct in Klingon. Certainly Okrand got the terms confused, and
accepted a proposed correction. (I've always felt his attitude in the
interview in which is accepted the correction was one of "Oh, if you say
so," not "Yes, that's certainly what I meant.")
While the only semantic role available to a noun with {-'e'} that
appears in the header is that of topic, I see no reason to believe that
such a noun as subject or object cannot be either topic or focus, or
even both at the same time.
HoD qIp puq'e'
The conventional translation of this would use focus: "The CHILD (not
someone else) hit the captain." But there's no reason why one couldn't
see the same sentence as using topic: "As for the child, he hit the
captain." Either meaning fits the given sentence, and there is no way to
distinguish between them unless you introduce an arbitrary rule. ("If a
noun with {-'e'} is subject or object it has focus and is not topic;
otherwise it is the topic and does not have focus.") Context will help
distinguish these roles.
So while I call the "topic" of the copula by that name, that doesn't
necessarily mean I think it's definitely topic and definitely not focus.
I just don't see enough distinction between these in Klingon to worry
about the difference. In a copula the topic is part of the structure; if
a word appears in that role it MUST end with {-'e'}.
I do believe the topical nature of the position is primary. The
illustrative translations of copulas in TKD bear this out.
To sum it up: {-'e'} is {-'e'}, and WE'RE the ones splitting it into
different roles. That may not be appropriate.
SuStel
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