tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jul 02 12:23:08 2004
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Re: ghelmeH mu'tlhegh'e' Sayu'
At 07:21 AM 7/2/2004, SuStel wrote:
>From: "Dar'Qang" <[email protected]>
>
> > ghelbogh mu'tlhegh chenmoH'a' <<nuq vIjatlh 'e' DaneH>>?
> >
> > Does the sentence <<nuq vIjatlh 'e' DaneH>> form a question?
>
>With respect to ngabwI', I don't think his answer is right.
lughHa' mu'tlhegh vI'aghbogh 'e' vIpIH, 'a meq vIngu'laHchu'be'.
>First of all, {neH} doesn't use {'e'}. Drop that.
jIyaj. jIDub'egh.
>Next, we have the old problem of Question as Object. It has been reported
>that Marc Okrand says you can't use questions as objects. This more or less
>ended a long-standing debate in the Klingon-speaking community. {nuq
>vIjatlh} is a question, and so can't be the object of {neH}. Therefore,
>this sentence is invalid.
DaH! "Sokath"-'e' poS mInDu'Daj!
I didn't link to the QAO issue. I had associated QAO with the use of a
question-as-object without intending to make the entire sentence a
question. i.e., *{nuq luneH nuvpu' 'e' vISovbe'}, "I don't know what people
want". But my sentence is equally QAO.
maj.
>If you're trying to say "What should I say?" just use {nuq vIjatlh}. If
>saying it is necessary, you can use {nuq vIjatlhnIS}. If it's important to
>distinguish *your* opinion from others, "What do *you* want me to say (as
>opposed to that guy over there)?" construct the sentence differently. For
>instance, {vuDlIj HInob: nuq vIjatlh}.
>
>*{nuq vIjatlh DaneH} seems simple enough, but it technically violates what
>we know about Klingon. Until Okrand says otherwise, avoid it.
lu'!
Dar'Qang