tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Feb 26 06:15:05 2004
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Re: [tlhIngan-Hol] Re: Hoch placement
From: "Scott Willis" <[email protected]>
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> From: "Dar'Qang" <[email protected]>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 12:15 AM
> Subject: [tlhIngan-Hol] Hoch placement
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> > In order to say "all Klingons", would that be {Hoch tlhInganpu'} or
> > {tlhInganpu' Hoch}?
> >
> > Is there a difference in meaning for the two placements?
>
> Yes, there is. {Hoch tlhInganpu'} means "every Klingon", considering them
> individually. {tlhInganpu' Hoch} means "all Klingons", taking them as a
> group.
That's not right. The way to say "all Klingons" is explained in (I believe)
HolQeD volume 5 number 2, where Okrand says that {Hoch X} means "each X,
taken individually" if X is explicitly singular, and "all X's, taken as a
group" if X is explicitly plural.
Hoch tlhIngan
each Klingon, taken individually
Hoch tlhInganpu'
all Klingons, taken as a group
As for {tlhIngan Hoch}, there's only slim evidence as to what that might
mean. SkyBox card S15 has a phrase, {tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH wej
HochHom }, translated, "most of the 23rd century." It suggests that when
after a noun, {Hoch} means "all of the noun."
tlhIngan Hoch
all of the Klingon (not part of him)
I couldn't say what {tlhInganpu' Hoch} might mean, if anything, and I cannot
say for sure whether {Hoch} behavior can be used for other count-type words
(like {bID} "half").
SuStel
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