tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jul 14 10:50:18 2003
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Re: Is the language too bound for its own good? (was Re: Klingon - Terminolog...
- From: qaS ngal-qaS <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Is the language too bound for its own good? (was Re: Klingon - Terminolog...
- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:35:51 -0500
I agree. I think that every language has it's place, natural or
constructed, but that it will die if not allowed to expand past it's own
borders. Take Navajo, par example. How many people left speak this noble
tongue? not enough. And though I would like to learn it myself, I doubt
that they would teach me...even so, I cannot change the world alone. I'd
need at least two of my closest friends, and a meqleH or two..lol
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Klingon Warrior
<[email protected]> writes:
> This last post from veS joH is most depressing....but true :( All
> that we do here, all that we have accomplished, all that we put our
> enthusiasm and sheer passion will be dead because nothing is being
> done to keep the language alive. veS joH is right...where else
> would we use Klingon but on this list, the qep'a', and qepHommey?
> And that's the problem I see...we're not allowing the language to be
> used outside of these things. We're too hermit-like with this
> language. We need to stop being such typical Star Trek geeks and
> actually show this world how useful and great tlhIngan Hol truly is!
> We need to brainstorm ideas on how to get the word out about the
> language before it...and our dreams...die because we procrastinated.
> As ironic as that is...we do with this language what Klingons would
> think of as dishonorable...procrastinate...hold-back...shelter
> ourselves and the language. Something has to happen...expand the
> vocabulary and expand the language.
> jach SuvwI' 'e' yIQoy' 'ej narghbe'chugh SuvwI' qa' taH may'.
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> I tend to fall in the middle on this issue at the present time. I
> believe
> the vocabulary is extraordinarily limited. It is rich enough to say
> all that
> one would likely want to say perhaps, but there is a great deal that
> doesn't
> fall into the category of a non-Klingon item (such as taco or dog).
> I work on
> translations of poetry, song lyrics, and personal letters to help me
> expand my
> knowledge of the language. On many occasions, more than I think
> there should
> be, I was forced to recast the sentence to the point of ruining the
> message
> (the worst example to date is my completely failed attempt to
> translate the Led
> Zeppelin song "Stairway to Heaven" (Heaven to Sto-vo-kor, etc.).
> Bear in mind,
> I did have TKD, KGT, and TKW.
> Also keep in mind, that words in English, though may have multiple
> meanings, may have completely different words for those other
> meanings in other
> languages. No examples come to mind, but I know in Spanish and
> English this is
> true. So, simply expanding the vocabulary to match the English
> definitions
> is problematic.
> As far as making the language easier to learn so that others may
> feel
> more at ease learning it, that is ridiculous. If a person is
> intimidated by
> the complexity of the language, it is likely, they will never lean
> the language
> or any other either. More likely than not, the average person would
> not
> learn tlhIngan Hol not due to the complex nature of the language,
> but due to the
> impracticality of learning the language. Where other than on this
> list, a
> qepHom, or qep'a' could an average person ever use tlhIngan Hol? For
> us, that is
> not of issue, but to the multitude it is.
> At any rate, the language is at a crossroads, or nearly coming to
> one.
> It has reached a point where it is developed, and has a large
> following. It
> has reached a point where it needs to be expanded out. Colleges need
> to
> teach it, we need to teach our youth, and we need to make the nature
> of the
> language to be practical. We operate businesses, work with others
> who are our
> friends, we serve the public. We need to use the language in our
> places of
> business when it can be, preach and exhort to others of the useful
> nature of the
> language.
> The ultimate truth left is that we and relatively few others will
> ever
> learn and use the language. Eventually the language will die and all
> we will
> have is our experiences here.
> -veS joH
>
>
>
> Klingon Warrior
> taHjaj wo'!
> Darren M. Slade
>
>
>
>
>
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