tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Dec 15 16:19:58 2003

Back to archive top level

To this year's listing

[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]

Re: word definition request: nub'a' nubwI'

Steven Boozer ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

Quvar:
> >> But did he slip the line?  {nubwI'} sounds like "someone who is suspect"

Voragh:
> > This is an old puzzle.  Many of us believe that this is indeed a look-up
> > error.  But since Okrand hasn't admitted it, we have to accept the word as
> > is and postulate an unknown (possibly obsolete) verb *{nub} which is a
> > homonym of "modern" {nub} "be suspect".  Or perhaps we'll eventually learn
> > that {nubwI'} is an unidentified slang or {no' Hol} word.
> >
> >> "predecessor" should be {nungwI'} is it not?
> >
> > One would think so.  But lacking additional information, {nungwI'} "person
> > who precedes" could just as easily refer to the person ahead of you in
> > line.  <g>

Jens-Wolfhard Schicke:
>Actually as I first saw "nubwI'" as predecessor I thought it might
>tell us something about how Klingons think about the guy who was in their
>position before themselfes...

More than likely this is what Okrand had in mind.

To continue this discussion, we also have the noun {cho'} "succession" and 
the homophonous verb {cho'} "succeed (to authority)" - neither of which has 
been used outside of naming the office of {cho' 'oDwI'} "Arbiter of 
Succession":

   yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh janluq pIqarD 
HoD.
   Gowron... named leader of the High Council by Captain Jean-Luc Picard, who
   was acting as Arbiter of Succession. S25

the verb {Son} "relieve" (not used in canon) and the (apparently) related 
noun {SonchIy} "Sonchi ceremony, a special death ritual confirming the 
death of a leader before his/her successor could be chosen.

the verb {gheS} "assume duties of, take on responsibilities" (described in 
KGT 183-84):

   DaH yaS wa'DIch vIgheS
   I now take my place as first officer
   "Now I assume the responsibilities of first officer".  KGT

   juDev 'ej Dujvam ra'wI' DagheS'e' vItlhob
   I ask you to lead us as commander of this ship
   "I request that you lead us and that you assume the duties of commander of
   this ship". KGT

and the verb {Sugh} "install (in office)" (also not used in canon).

Presumably all of these form regular derived nouns:  *{cho'wI'}, *{SonwI'}, 
*{gheSwI'} and *{SughwI'}.  How these would fit in with {nubwI'} and 
*{nungwI'} is unknown.  Certainly there seems to be some overlap -- at 
least to this es-Navyman.



-- 
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

Back to archive top level