tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jan 31 12:37:12 1998
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Re: Nature Phenomenon
- From: Jon Brown <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Nature Phenomenon
- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:37:23 -0800 (PST)
Sorry I forgot the subject last time.
THIS IS WHAT STARTED IT ALL (Not by me):
>>>>At 04:08 98-01-19 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>}Greetings!
>>>>}
>>>>} I wonder how we use the verbs which indicates
>>>>}the nature phenomenon. I mean, we say: It's
>>>>}raining or it's snowing, it's storming. But how
>>>>}can we say it in Klingon? Who is the subject and >>>>object?
>-----recently ghunchu'wI' replied with:------
>
>ja' Jon Brown:
>>Excuse me for jumping in at the deepend here but >>surely the
'subject' of - rain (v) - is the weather >>(or possibly the
atmosphere/sky).
>
>
>Jon thinks it's the collection of interrelated systems >we call
weather that rains (or maybe the >air/atmosphere/sky). There's one
possibility.
>
>
>ja' DloraH:
>>...It could refer to cats and dogs, or buckets, but >>we all know
what is really falling from the sky; do
>>we need to spell it out every time?...
>>
Of course not! I didn't join in with this discussion on the O&S of
rain (v) because I wanted to use them every time I said "it rains". I
joined in (marked KLBC) because someone asked the question (see above)
and because I have a problem generally with O&S.
>>
>> This action of the water droplets falling is >>referred to by the
verb SIS. We could specify what
>> the subject is, but I think everyone over five years
>> old knows what it is.
>>
It seems not everyone over five does. Since my last message I'm
arguing that WATER whether droplets or not are the OBJECT of rain (v)
NOT the subject.
>
> DloraH thinks it's the drop of water that rains.
>
I thought that one translation of SIS would be "it rain(s)" whereas
SISlu' would be "its raining". I say this because in my dictionary its
down as a doing verb not a be-ing verb.
>Or is it the cloud which rains? These are the three >likely subjects
of {SIS} that I was thinking about
>earlier.
Water(n) (what we call rain(n)) comes from a cloud which is in the
sky. However, can you say that either of them are actually committing
the action of rain (v). I don't think so; they might cause it however.
Again the one thing (but not necessarily the only thing)I can see that
carries out this action is the weather.
>
>I think there are enough different possibilities for >us to stop
trying to convince each other what is
>"correct" and we should just agree that there is no >obviously
"right" answer -- so far.
>
I for one agree. But just because someone mentions a particular noun
as the object or subject of a verb doesn't mean they are saying
nothing else can be. Can't we accept there are many possibilities but
still discuss whether that noun has a valid use with that verb and
whether or not it is the object or subject.
For as long as this discussion makes people think and teaches anyone
something,
yInDaj nI'taHjaj - may it's life be long (or what I wanted to say
"long may it live!")
qe'San
(aka Jon)
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