tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Feb 02 10:37:30 1998
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Re: jIloS.
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: jIloS.
- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:37:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
- Priority: NORMAL
On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:25:57 -0800 (PST) [email protected] wrote:
> In a message dated 98-01-29 17:55:05 EST, charghwI' writes:
>
> << jIvIHmo' QoQ vImuv. QoQ vImuvmeH jIvIH. >>
>
> ---peHruS challenges the word {muv}----
> DuSaQ vImuvlaH
> mangghom vImuvlaH
> QoQghom vImuvlaH
> qaq qechmeyvam 'e' vIHar
>
> But, I don't know how to express accurately that the music and the body join
> together. Perhaps, tay'chuq QoQ jIH je works better.
While I see your point, I think it would have to be {tay'chuqmoH
QoQ jIH je}, since we can't be close each other, but we can
cause each other to be close. I don't see {tay'} as transitive,
so to become reflexive, it has to be transformed into transitive
first, hence {-moH}.
> From MO's past usage of
> {tay'}, I get the feeling this is the way to express "being together, as part
> of each other, being connected." matay'DI maQap (TKW 209). I gain the
> feeling that tay' is the opposite of mob (TKW 73, top), thus approximately the
> same as mobbe'. See also TKW 34, both top and bottom.
Okay.
> Also, there's {qat}. jImI'DI' muqat QoQ. Similar to tlhej, but for music.
> Compare TKW 173 and TKW 161 to KGT 76, bottom.
That's an interesting image. I like it, both in the sense of
wrapping and encasing, and accompanying. The music accompanies
my dance much as an instrument would accompany my voice were I
singing, and my "floor music", stomping, definitely accompanies
the music.
> I don't think I'd use SIgh (TKW 170) here, even though the music does
> definitely influence how I dance.
Agreed. "Influence" seems too weak a word. The truth is
somewhere between "influence" and "command".
> peHruS
charghwI'