tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Dec 27 21:07:34 1996
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RE: Use of Verbs + types + -wI'
- From: Felipe Meyer de Souza <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Use of Verbs + types + -wI'
- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 03:07:31 -0200
At 15:15 27/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>December 27, 1996 2:29 AM, jatlh peHruS:
>
>> DIpmey law' nop tlhIngan Hol wIyajbogh
>>
>> TKD*Daq ghItlh Okrand (begin paraphrase:::) This dictionary does not
>> include words for flora and fauna, and many items on the planets' surface,
>> mostly only the words for conversation of the bridge of a starship. (end)
>
>Actually, Okrand does not mention anything about Klingon being known only
>concerning spaceship terminology. Certainly, it is mentioned that for a long
>time the Federation only understood Klingon as it was used during battle, but
>how does this explain words like {mavjop} or {noSvagh}? Besides, when writing
>a Klingon story, I discovered that there was no word for "tractor beam." I
>invented a phrase which covered this lack.
>
>> (begin another) Maltz has not provided us with all the words which Klingons
>> use. (end)
>>
>> By inference, I think there are lots more Klingon words within the tlhIngan
>> wo'. I, a Terran student of tlhIngan Hol, am curious as to what they are.
>
>I quite agree. We don't know many words. ***But that doesn't mean they are
>nouns!!!*** It's likely that a high percentage of these words are verbs.
>They're used much more in Klingon.
>
>Those nouns we don't know are likely to be specific to Klingons. That's why
>we don't know them. From KCD we know that {ghIntaq} is "battle spear,"
>{cha'nob} is "ritual gifts," and {raHta'} is a type of Klingon food which is
>really bad when it's half-dead. Obviously, the Federation didn't know about
>these words until later because they are very specific to Klingon culture!
>But the words *you* want to invent, like "kitchen" and "dining room," aren't
>there because they're not very important to Klingons! Heck, even {parmaq}
>doesn't just mean "love," but "love, Klingon style, and we're not sure yet how
>it's used." You see? These nouns are more Klingon oriented, and so less
>routinely functional in sentences.
>
>> Back to reality -- yes, I definitely would like to see more tlhIngan Hol.
>> Impatiently, apparently, I await much more from our language's creator
>> (instead of fantasizing merely on going to Kronos and learning those words
>> from the natives). Even in this verb-oriented language, nouns are
>important.
>
>Sure. They have a category of their own. One of three: {wotmey}, {DIpmey},
>{chuvmey}. But there are plenty more verbs than there are nouns, and for a
>reason: they're used much more frequently.
>
>> BTW, since we have QongDaq for bed, I have been using the words SopDaq,
>> ghItlhDaq, and vutDaq. OTOH, I would never say ba'Daq, as we have quS.
>
>If we didn't have {quS}, you *would* say *{ba'Daq}. Then, when {quS} was
>"discovered," you'd suddenly be absolutely wrong! {QongDaq} is a noun. It is
>not the modern Klingon word {Qong} with a noun suffix on it, and it is not
>{Qong} with the noun {Daq} on it. It is {QongDaq}. Perhaps in the
>(fictional) development of Klingon these were originally seperate elements,
>but they are not now! As far as I am concerned, your words above are illegal,
>and would be balked at by Klingons.
>
>{SopmeH pa'}. {ghItlhmeH beQwI'}. {vutmeH pa'}. Heck, I'd even agree to
>{Sojpa'}. See? Verbs. They work miracles.
>
>> I have noticed an increase in words dealing with customs and foods, at least
>> since TKW's publication. Personally, I hope this trend continues!!!
>
>Also from KCD.
>
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