tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Aug 14 10:18:41 1996
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Re: tlhIngan Hol chu' jIH
>Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 22:11:25 -0700
>From: [email protected] (HoD trI'Qal)
>I wasn't sure if this was open to debate or not... so I took the liberty of
>tossing in my $0.02, since Mark already replied. :)
>At 07:31 AM 8/13/96 -0700, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 11:58:59 -0700
>>>From: Randal Lanning <[email protected]>
>>
>>>At 11:29 AM 8/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Where "you"==Me, Mark Shoulson.
>>
>>> I was trying to say that "I am new to the Klingon language."
>>>Although I have been studying the TKD for about a month now off and on, I
>>>decided to write my first letter in it. I read the above as "I am a new
>>>student to the Klingon language." Which if I have read it right, would be
>>>correct also.
>>
>>Right, that's what I was saying. "New to..." is not really attested
>>anywhere in known Klingon, and it's not clear how it would be done. Would
>>the thing you're new to be the object of the verb "chu'" (as you have it)?
>>Possibly, but I wouldn't guess it at first. And if it were, you'd have to
>>put the right verb-prefix (presumably vI-) on the verb.
>I'd re-cast:
> DaH tlhIngan Hol vIghojchoH neH
>The <DaH> is probably optional.
Heh... That makes sense, but isn't necessarily what I'd start suggesting to
a newcomer. Then again, it's not that complex.
>>>>>Qu'wIj ghuntaHwI'
>>>>
>>>>Here too, "My task is a programmer..." You need 'oH....
>>
>>Oh, I certainly agree that "Qu'" is acceptable for "job" (I use it that way
>>myself). The problem is that you need a verb (Qu'wIj 'oH ghunwI''e').
>>Also, your job isn't a programmer, is it? Your job is a job, and jobs
>>aren't programmers. Your job is *that of* a programmer, or *to be* a
>>programmer, which would probably have to be expressed differently in
>>Klingon.
>I learned long ago from charghwI' to wince whenever I see a verb nominalized
>and used in that "to be" construction:
> jIvummeH jIghun
>I'm not sure I like that though... other suggestions?
Ow. I *do* sorta like it. The "ow" is because I didn't think of it.
Still, it's a somewhat idiomatic use of "vum"; maybe better would be {Huch
vIbajmeH jIghun}.
~mark