tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Feb 20 05:12:47 1995
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-neS
- From: [email protected] (Bill Willmerdinger)
- Subject: -neS
- Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:01:10
uu> From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <ur-valhalla!cs.columbia.edu!shoulson>
uu> Subject: petaQneS ;-)
>From: [email protected] (Steve Weaver)
>petaQnes *charghwI'* (Should have been petaQneS, {HIvqa' veqlargh}. I typed
>"S" but it came out "s". ;-) ) was trying to say "*charghwI'*, you're being
>wierd (respectfully)". One should always be respectful of ones "elders"
>(meant in the non-age related sense).
uu> Ah, but "petaQneS" doesn't mean "your honor, you are weird." It means
uu> "All of your honors, be weird!" It's a command to more than one
uu> person. To indicate that one person is doing something with no object
uu> in second person, use "bI-". Check that prefix-table!
Let's take a step back...
I'd like to discuss {-neS}. This seems to be the least used verb suffix, and
not because Klingons don't use it a lot, but because it is so badly
explained.
In TKD, Okrand says "it is used to express extreme ploiteness or deference."
Okay, fine so far. His examples are {qaleghneS} and {HIja'neS}, which he
translates as "I am honored to see you" and "Do me the honor of telling me."
Yet, on PK, he consistantly stranslates {-neS} as "your honor."
I personally dislike "your honor." It does NOT fit in with the way other
suffixes translate at all.
I prefer the more context sensative translation of his TKD examples. It also
seems to me that {-neS} used that way would only apply to verbs that take an
object (even though it doesn't explicitly state that in TKD).
Thoughts? Comments?
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