tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Feb 07 14:16:07 1995
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Re: apposition?
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: apposition?
- Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 10:27:26 EST
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>; from "Bill Willmerdinger" at Feb 7, 95 10:12 am
According to Bill Willmerdinger:
>
> uu> From: "William H. Martin" <ur-valhalla!jm.acs.virginia.edu!whm2m>
>
> uu> MUCH better! The only think I feel a little shaky about is the
> uu> use of "~mark", which, like any explicit noun, is third person,
> uu> in the explicit object position while your prefix indicates a
> uu> second person object...
> Perhaps I'm mistaken, but doesn't this fall under section 5.6 in TKD? "Names
> may be used in direct address (that is, calling somebody by name) at the
> beginning or end of the sentence." Okrand's examples are {torgh HIghoS} and
> {lu' qaH} for "Torg, come here!" and "Yes, sir!", but the line quoted from TKD
> clearly indicates that {torgh HIghoS} could also be {HIghoS torgh}... which is
> the same as the "I thank you, ~mark" above.
You are almost certainly right, though it would have been
useful to have the original line I was commenting on there to
see and confirm that you are right. As it is, I don't remember
the original line.
> Granted, this is direct address, not apposition, but it makes "I thank you,
> ~mark" and all it's permutations legal.
My memory was more of something like "I thank you (plural),
~mark and your friend," which seemed like it mixed second and
third person, wrapping them together in the plural second
person, and I wasn't sure it wouldn't, in Klingon, wind up
wrapped into plural third person.
Anyway, I suspect that that second person plural may have been
in a different post and I mistakenly carried this new question
over to a simple case that was right and I wrongly flagged it
as dubious.
> cha' DeQmeywIj neH...
>
> (Incidently, I've been getting spammed with dupes off the List for the last
> week or so. Is this universal, or is it just my gateway/feed going bonkers?)
It doesn't seem to be happening to me. I don't know if that
information helps.
charghwI'
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