tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Aug 02 14:37:44 1995
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Re: Re[2]: }} KLBC: Life is like...
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Re[2]: }} KLBC: Life is like...
- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 14:37:44 EDT
According to Marc Ruehlaender:
>
> ghItlh charghwI'
> >
> > Given TKD's example on page 45 of HeghqangmoHlu'pu' = "It made
> > him/her willing to die," it seems that HeghqangmoHlu'pu'wI'
> > would be "thing that made him/her willing to die". Remove
> > {-qang} and add {-'egh} and one suspects Hegh'eghmoHlu'pu'wI' =
> > "thing that made him/her kill him/herself".
> >
> hmm. I have some problems with that...
> first of all, I don't think -lu' and -wI' go together very well
I don't see anything that blocks their interaction.
> but I'd like to analyse the above expression in order to find
> out where that causation ("made") in your translation might
> come from (the choice of pronouns is of course arbitrary):
>
> Heg she dies
> *Hegh'egh -
> HeghmoH she causes him to die/she kills him
> Hegh'eghmoH she causes herself to die/she kills herself
> HeghmoHlu' one causes her to die/one kills her
> Hegh'eghmoHlu' one causes oneself to die/one kills oneself
The one who is causing is not the one performing the action.
With {-moH}, the subject is causing the action while the object
is doing the action, and the action is intransitive. With
{-lu'} the subject is indefinite, but the object is identified.
Here, the subject is indefinite and is causing the object,
which is NOT indefinite to die. This means, "One causes him to
die himself", which is not really very good...
A better verb would have been HoH. Oh well.
> HeghwI' one who dies/*thing which dies
> HeghmoHwI' killer
This is slightly complicated by the separate listing of
{HeghmoH} as "be fatal".
> Hegh'eghmoHwI' Selbstmoerder(sorry) one who kills himself
> *HeghmoHlu'wI' ?
"One who causes him to die"
> > Some days I just feel sneaky.
> >
> then you can hopefully clear things up for me :-)
>
> > charghwI'
>
> Marc 'Dochlangan'
charghwI'
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